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Sceptical Iranian here. There are groups that profit from an ongoing tension and conflict on both sides. This time around it seems they have lost the hand, but

by mavdi 11y ago

Sceptical Iranian here. There are groups that profit from an ongoing tension and conflict on both sides. This time around it seems they have lost the hand, but we would be a fool to think that this agreement settles things for good. This has always been and will always be a fluid situation. I think the work has just begun now, let's hope the sane people inc charge on both sides will keep things positive. Otherwise it only takes one delayed inspection permit, or an angry military general to take things back right to the start.

maxerickson 11y ago
Re your second paragraph, keep in mind that the US Congress gets to vote on it.
- afiedler 11y ago
  It's extremely likely to pass. Since this isn't technically a "treaty", Congress can only pass a bill to disapprove of it [1]. Obama can then veto the disapproval, and there are enough Democrats to override the veto. [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/congress-iran-nuclear-deal.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/congress-...
  - Tomte 11y ago
    Does the president need approval by Congress for lifting the sanctions? I don't know the answer, but I suppose that might be an issue.
    - epc 11y ago
      Congress must pass a bill to revoke the US sanctions, which is a separate act of legislation from assenting to this deal. There are several Executive Orders which Obama can revoke but the embargo proper is embedded in US legislation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran
toyg 11y ago
Of course, life is hard and all that. Still, whenever two old foes sit down and agree on how to move forward, it's a good day for the world. Please keep supporting the "sane" elements.
roymurdock 11y ago
I'm interested to hear what the general young Iranian sentiment is towards the Iranian government, the US government, and the agreement. I worked in Afghanistan at a telecom provider last summer. A lot of my coworkers were young 20-somethings whose parents had fled Afghanistan when the Taliban came to power from 1996-2001. The majority of them had been raised in Iran; the minority, in Pakistan. The ones who had been raised in Iran were happy for the most part to have been able to return to Afghanistan. They told me stories of a paradoxical society that was quite forward-thinking while at the same time, extremely authoritarian and oppressive, especially with regards to youth education and expression. I kind of started to equate Iran with Singapore in my mind. Could you shed any light on this perspective?
- jajool 11y ago
  majority of young people are happy! to tell you the troth sanctions were a real pain for us, imagine every time i use internet and i forget to connect VPN i get the "Unavailable in your country message" while visiting Unity or Google Code websites. but on the other hand there are some who are not that happy they think with this agreement we have lost decades of effort toward peacefull nuclear energy. there is one thing for sure nobody in iran wants a nuclear weapon.
  - vasilipupkin 11y ago
    I am doubting the last sentence. Iran clearly has a nuclear weapons program and clearly that program has a constituency within Iran, although I am sure lots of Iranians don't want it or need it, but that's not the same as saying that nobody wants it
    - SG- 11y ago
      it's an expression. it means the majority.
  - FeepingCreature 11y ago
    Speaking as somebody with no interest in the region, if I was an Iranian I'd want a nuclear weapon. Nobody invades a nuclear power. Nuclear powers get propped up instead of sabotaged.
drawkbox 11y ago
If Iran can benefit economically from the removed sanctions then the quality of life will go up and hopefully override the hawkish sides that desire warring. Iran is better off more like Japan/S. Korea/Israel in terms of commerce with us rather than shut down and sanctioned. This is also a boon for oil prices for consumers. The oil production also balances against Saudi/Russia power in the region. Iranians are very great, smart, innovative people and they have lots to share and innovate in. It is saddening that sanctions have happened for so long when speaking about the good people there being overridden by extremes. I just hope that the economic benefits overpower the hawks on either side via market solutions and shared quality of life increases.

by mavdi 11y ago

maxerickson 11y ago

Re your second paragraph, keep in mind that the US Congress gets to vote on it.

afiedler 11y ago
It's extremely likely to pass. Since this isn't technically a "treaty", Congress can only pass a bill to disapprove of it [1]. Obama can then veto the disapproval, and there are enough Democrats to override the veto. [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/congress-iran-nuclear-deal.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/congress-...
- Tomte 11y ago
  Does the president need approval by Congress for lifting the sanctions? I don't know the answer, but I suppose that might be an issue.
  - epc 11y ago
    Congress must pass a bill to revoke the US sanctions, which is a separate act of legislation from assenting to this deal. There are several Executive Orders which Obama can revoke but the embargo proper is embedded in US legislation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._sanctions_against_Iran

toyg 11y ago

Of course, life is hard and all that. Still, whenever two old foes sit down and agree on how to move forward, it's a good day for the world. Please keep supporting the "sane" elements.

roymurdock 11y ago

I'm interested to hear what the general young Iranian sentiment is towards the Iranian government, the US government, and the agreement. I worked in Afghanistan at a telecom provider last summer. A lot of my coworkers were young 20-somethings whose parents had fled Afghanistan when the Taliban came to power from 1996-2001. The majority of them had been raised in Iran; the minority, in Pakistan. The ones who had been raised in Iran were happy for the most part to have been able to return to Afghanistan. They told me stories of a paradoxical society that was quite forward-thinking while at the same time, extremely authoritarian and oppressive, especially with regards to youth education and expression. I kind of started to equate Iran with Singapore in my mind. Could you shed any light on this perspective?

jajool 11y ago
majority of young people are happy! to tell you the troth sanctions were a real pain for us, imagine every time i use internet and i forget to connect VPN i get the "Unavailable in your country message" while visiting Unity or Google Code websites. but on the other hand there are some who are not that happy they think with this agreement we have lost decades of effort toward peacefull nuclear energy. there is one thing for sure nobody in iran wants a nuclear weapon.
- vasilipupkin 11y ago
  I am doubting the last sentence. Iran clearly has a nuclear weapons program and clearly that program has a constituency within Iran, although I am sure lots of Iranians don't want it or need it, but that's not the same as saying that nobody wants it
  - SG- 11y ago
    it's an expression. it means the majority.
- FeepingCreature 11y ago
  Speaking as somebody with no interest in the region, if I was an Iranian I'd want a nuclear weapon. Nobody invades a nuclear power. Nuclear powers get propped up instead of sabotaged.

drawkbox 11y ago

If Iran can benefit economically from the removed sanctions then the quality of life will go up and hopefully override the hawkish sides that desire warring. Iran is better off more like Japan/S. Korea/Israel in terms of commerce with us rather than shut down and sanctioned. This is also a boon for oil prices for consumers. The oil production also balances against Saudi/Russia power in the region. Iranians are very great, smart, innovative people and they have lots to share and innovate in. It is saddening that sanctions have happened for so long when speaking about the good people there being overridden by extremes. I just hope that the economic benefits overpower the hawks on either side via market solutions and shared quality of life increases.