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The problem is the long tail of sites or site features that don't work without flash and users who rely on those sites or site features. I've heard Facebook vi

The problem is the long tail of sites or site features that don't work without flash and users who rely on those sites or site features. I've heard Facebook video and last.fm streaming don't work without Flash for eg.

Gys 11y ago
Maybe you missed this ? But this whole discussion on the death of Flash was started by Facebook: http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/07/13/flash-aah-aah-its-not-the-savior-of-any-of-us/ http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/07/13/flash-aah-aah-its-...
- giancarlostoro 11y ago
  Every video on Facebook still relies on Flash though. So I'm not sure why they haven't put their money where their mouth is about it yet? Would make Facebook a lot more accessible in most cases for me not having to rely on Flash whatsoever just to view a video. I usually end up not watching a number of videos after I realize it wont let me watch them without Flash.
  - ceejayoz 11y ago
    I wonder if they're trying to wait out Firefox on the MP4 vs. WebM/Ogg issue. They've already gone HTML5 on the mobile versions.
    - cpeterso 11y ago
      Facebook is migrating from Flash to HTML5 video. As of last week, they are serving HTML5 video to users running Windows 7+, including Firefox users. Firefox supports H.264 video on Windows Vista+ and OS X because those platforms ship H.264 decoders.
      - giancarlostoro 11y ago
        Guess Linux gets excluded once again? Cause they keep pushing Flash to me, even though I have H.264?
kozukumi 11y ago
> I've heard Facebook video and last.fm streaming don't work without Flash Regarding Facebook video, I fail to see how that is a bad thing ;)
dzhiurgis 11y ago
I was surprised about last.fm not working without flash but it turned out to be ad blocker problem.
zvrba 11y ago
Tidal and Deezer are others which require flash. Both have desktop apps, however.. Tidal's desktop app is awful and laggy to the extent I prefer using the web interface; Deezer's Windows app lacks some features compared to the web player.
- cpeterso 11y ago
  These music streaming sites use Flash because they want DRM.
  - zvrba 11y ago
    Is there alternative to Flash which also gives you DRM?
    - cpeterso 11y ago
      For browsers that support EME, they can use the "Clear Key" key system that is part of the EME standard. It's not as secure as other DRM (because the decryption key is briefly exposed on the client), but it does not require any third-party license server like Google Widevine, Microsoft PlayReady, or Adobe Primetime. For a streaming music service, it is probably an adequate deterrent for ripping streams. http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/eme/basics/#clear-key http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/eme/basics/#clear-key
throwaway7767 11y ago
The spotify web player unfortunately requires flash as well.

Gys 11y ago

Maybe you missed this ? But this whole discussion on the death of Flash was started by Facebook: http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/07/13/flash-aah-aah-its-not-the-savior-of-any-of-us/ http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/07/13/flash-aah-aah-its-...

giancarlostoro 11y ago
Every video on Facebook still relies on Flash though. So I'm not sure why they haven't put their money where their mouth is about it yet? Would make Facebook a lot more accessible in most cases for me not having to rely on Flash whatsoever just to view a video. I usually end up not watching a number of videos after I realize it wont let me watch them without Flash.
- ceejayoz 11y ago
  I wonder if they're trying to wait out Firefox on the MP4 vs. WebM/Ogg issue. They've already gone HTML5 on the mobile versions.
  - cpeterso 11y ago
    Facebook is migrating from Flash to HTML5 video. As of last week, they are serving HTML5 video to users running Windows 7+, including Firefox users. Firefox supports H.264 video on Windows Vista+ and OS X because those platforms ship H.264 decoders.
    - giancarlostoro 11y ago
      Guess Linux gets excluded once again? Cause they keep pushing Flash to me, even though I have H.264?

kozukumi 11y ago

> I've heard Facebook video and last.fm streaming don't work without Flash Regarding Facebook video, I fail to see how that is a bad thing ;)

dzhiurgis 11y ago

I was surprised about last.fm not working without flash but it turned out to be ad blocker problem.

zvrba 11y ago

Tidal and Deezer are others which require flash. Both have desktop apps, however.. Tidal's desktop app is awful and laggy to the extent I prefer using the web interface; Deezer's Windows app lacks some features compared to the web player.

cpeterso 11y ago
These music streaming sites use Flash because they want DRM.
- zvrba 11y ago
  Is there alternative to Flash which also gives you DRM?
  - cpeterso 11y ago
    For browsers that support EME, they can use the "Clear Key" key system that is part of the EME standard. It's not as secure as other DRM (because the decryption key is briefly exposed on the client), but it does not require any third-party license server like Google Widevine, Microsoft PlayReady, or Adobe Primetime. For a streaming music service, it is probably an adequate deterrent for ripping streams. http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/eme/basics/#clear-key http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/eme/basics/#clear-key

throwaway7767 11y ago

The spotify web player unfortunately requires flash as well.