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And that kids is what you get when you deal with carrier update plans for your devices, allow bundling of crapware with the phones and do your best to kill your

And that kids is what you get when you deal with carrier update plans for your devices, allow bundling of crapware with the phones and do your best to kill your operating system with fragmentation ... A political decision that was bad is keeping on giving. Apple victory was given to them

smackfu 11y ago
Except that Android phones sell great, they just don't make much money for their makers.
- visarga 11y ago
  The point stands. People who have a choice (have enough money) choose iPhone rather than allow crapware and not having access to timely updates. I am very pissed with Samsung for not upgrading my Android from 4.4.2 yet. I used to be an iPhone user and while using iPhone I didn't have problems upgrading my phone to the latest version.
  - adevine 11y ago
    But there are "pure Android" options (e.g. Nexus and Moto X) that get timely updates that don't have any of those problems. However, even those great phones still have the problem of having to compete against one another, and there is very little differentiation since Google owns the experience. I get some key innovations on Moto X that I don't get on iPhone (the ability to redden the screen at night is key for me, plus nice things like automatically detecting when you're driving so incoming texts and voice calls are read to you), but Moto X still has to compete with other high end Android devices so they are limited in the premium they can charge.
  - noir_lord 11y ago
    > The point stands. People who have a choice (have enough money) choose iPhone rather than allow crapware. Not all people, I could easily afford an iPhone yet I stick with my Nexus 4 (which is currently Android 5.1.1 and noticeably quicker than 4 was on the same phone), it does everything I want from a smartphone and was a third the price of the equivalent iPhone at the time.
  - JimmaDaRustla 11y ago
    Buy a device with stock Android. The selection is low, but the Nexus lines have served many well. I'm super excited to see some new phones later this year. (i hope)
- vidar 11y ago
  You can move units of most things if you slice the price enough.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  Of course. Because at the high end phone where the high margins are, the case for non ios device is weaker. I prefer Androids for 2 reasons: 1. Unlocked bootloader 2. Root 3. Screen size But the fragmentation of the ecosystem since 2.2 still hurts (and seems like 4.2 is the new gingerbread)
JimmaDaRustla 11y ago
This is about Apple's massive profit margins, not some vendors inferior ecosystem which still does a decent job of making billions. North America is accustomed to overpaying for their mobile phones and services so much that they can get the most expensive device for next to nothing because they sign a 2 year contract with a telecommunications provider who's plans are nothing short of gouging. Now the real question is, how come no one is competing with iPhone dollar wise? I would love to see someone come out with a top-end $900 Android phone that is as stunning as an iPhone. It seems Android hardware vendors are more tuned in to bloating the OS with gimmicky features rather than creating tier 1 hardware.

smackfu 11y ago

Except that Android phones sell great, they just don't make much money for their makers.

visarga 11y ago
The point stands. People who have a choice (have enough money) choose iPhone rather than allow crapware and not having access to timely updates. I am very pissed with Samsung for not upgrading my Android from 4.4.2 yet. I used to be an iPhone user and while using iPhone I didn't have problems upgrading my phone to the latest version.
- adevine 11y ago
  But there are "pure Android" options (e.g. Nexus and Moto X) that get timely updates that don't have any of those problems. However, even those great phones still have the problem of having to compete against one another, and there is very little differentiation since Google owns the experience. I get some key innovations on Moto X that I don't get on iPhone (the ability to redden the screen at night is key for me, plus nice things like automatically detecting when you're driving so incoming texts and voice calls are read to you), but Moto X still has to compete with other high end Android devices so they are limited in the premium they can charge.
- noir_lord 11y ago
  > The point stands. People who have a choice (have enough money) choose iPhone rather than allow crapware. Not all people, I could easily afford an iPhone yet I stick with my Nexus 4 (which is currently Android 5.1.1 and noticeably quicker than 4 was on the same phone), it does everything I want from a smartphone and was a third the price of the equivalent iPhone at the time.
- JimmaDaRustla 11y ago
  Buy a device with stock Android. The selection is low, but the Nexus lines have served many well. I'm super excited to see some new phones later this year. (i hope)
vidar 11y ago
You can move units of most things if you slice the price enough.
venomsnake 11y ago
Of course. Because at the high end phone where the high margins are, the case for non ios device is weaker. I prefer Androids for 2 reasons: 1. Unlocked bootloader 2. Root 3. Screen size But the fragmentation of the ecosystem since 2.2 still hurts (and seems like 4.2 is the new gingerbread)

JimmaDaRustla 11y ago

This is about Apple's massive profit margins, not some vendors inferior ecosystem which still does a decent job of making billions. North America is accustomed to overpaying for their mobile phones and services so much that they can get the most expensive device for next to nothing because they sign a 2 year contract with a telecommunications provider who's plans are nothing short of gouging. Now the real question is, how come no one is competing with iPhone dollar wise? I would love to see someone come out with a top-end $900 Android phone that is as stunning as an iPhone. It seems Android hardware vendors are more tuned in to bloating the OS with gimmicky features rather than creating tier 1 hardware.