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The real decision isn't made based on a guess like "it would sound complex". It is made by doing a user study - a test of actual users. That data guides the dec
by azakai 11y ago
The real decision isn't made based on a guess like "it would sound complex". It is made by doing a user study - a test of actual users. That data guides the decision, and the data here showed users benefited more, on average, by bundling it, rather than having it be something the user needs to authorize and/or install.
- ObviousScience 11y agoYou keep saying "we tested!", but I don't think you understand how testing works or what you're actually claiming to have tested versus what other people are talking about. You see, what you tested is the behavior of users when a particular app was introduced, over a short period of time. However, you failed to test against rivals (because you haven't used any of that data to explain your decision), and the only "test" you seemed to have done is "how do we best get users to utilize our paid features?" I think you know that though, and you're just here lying for money. Not really surprising shady software practices are being defended by shady PR liars.
- dang 11y ago> you're just here lying for money This is absolutely not ok in a Hacker News comment. If you can't comment civilly, please don't comment here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- eveningcoffee 11y ago> http://mozakai.blogspot.com/p/about.html http://mozakai.blogspot.com/p/about.html researcher at Mozilla
- JadeNB 11y agoI think that it is not so much the "… for money" part (although that's probably also inappropriate) as the "lying …" part.
- dang 11y agoThe civility rule isn't conditional on where someone works.
- eveningcoffee 11y agoActually I was not going to say that. Just wanted to point out why perhaps parent wrote such comment.
- eveningcoffee 11y agoCould you please describe how did you measure the "benefited more" part? Did you also consider if this "benefit" will conflict with the Mozilla Manifesto or not? What were the arguments pro or against of it? If you did perform this analysis, then was it performed before the user study or after? If you did not, then why?
- azakai 11y agoI wasn't involved in the study on this. I watched a presentation summarizing the study. User research isn't my field, but my understanding is that the study asked a random sample of people if they noticed the feature, if they found it useful, how they used it, and so forth.
- eveningcoffee 11y agoThanks for the reply.