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> Lately a number of open source projects has faced tremendous pressure from people coming from Twitter and Reddit to have issues resolved a certain way. Can

by aikah 11y ago

> Lately a number of open source projects has faced tremendous pressure from people coming from Twitter and Reddit to have issues resolved a certain way. Can you point to a specific example? the only things I have seen is some brigading and cabal to pressure a project owner to remove a contributor from a project, but it was akin to a lynch mob, not related with programming in any way.

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Quanttek 11y ago
This Google NTP stuff with SystemD comes to mind [1]. Everybody, especially HN, jumped on the hate train and spammed the issue [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437
- proveanegative 11y ago
  This is one example I had in mind when I made this thread; the issue that the grandparent mentions is another. I have seen a similar scenario play out with a few smaller projects' repositories but I am reluctant to mention them. There is also good-natured but meaningless noise like https://github.com/gogits/gogs/issues/5 https://github.com/gogits/gogs/issues/5. I believe this kind of support, while flattering at first, ultimately puts undue pressure on the volunteer contributor. On the plus side, the comments come from people using the project. Perhaps GitHub was wrong to get rid of the upvote button on issues unconditionally. Having the option to enable it would probably have helped the Gogs case.
xmj 11y ago
The recent witch hunt against projects that don't have Code of Conducts. 'meh' did a masterful job with those: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/945 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/945
- jordsmi 11y ago
  My god those comments are a shitshow
  - xmj 11y ago
    Meh is a genius in handling those people, you do have to admit that.
    - toolz 11y ago
      I don't know that I would go that far. He was very abrasive, whereas his core message could've been plenty to stop the nonsense he always added a little bit of aggression to keep the drama going. If he was a genius, you probably wouldn't ever have known the issue existed. At least it seems that way to me.
      - caseysoftware 11y ago
        But the people who started the attacks researched his profiles and publicized the entire thing. Their entire goal was public ridicule and getting him denounced. If this group of thugs is good at anything, it's getting the word out and the twitter mobs mobilized.
        xmj 11y ago
        Bingo. And this is what makes the way he handled it -genius- :-)
  - curiousjorge 11y ago
    I'm at a loss for words. I don't know whether to be angry that there's discrimination or the person playing the victim card and demanding change on a github out of all places. When the hell did github issues tracker turn into an all out debate forum?
- notanybodyyouno 11y ago
  If 'meh' had used a real name they probably would have attacked him pretty early in that conversation - going after his job or his reputation in other areas. The shield of a pseudonym allowed him to stand strong and forced his opponents to engage with him, resulting in this masterful display of defeating an SJW mob. This is a lesson to us all, and a reminder of what is no longer possible with "real name" policies.

by aikah 11y ago

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Quanttek 11y ago

This Google NTP stuff with SystemD comes to mind [1]. Everybody, especially HN, jumped on the hate train and spammed the issue [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/437

proveanegative 11y ago
This is one example I had in mind when I made this thread; the issue that the grandparent mentions is another. I have seen a similar scenario play out with a few smaller projects' repositories but I am reluctant to mention them. There is also good-natured but meaningless noise like https://github.com/gogits/gogs/issues/5 https://github.com/gogits/gogs/issues/5. I believe this kind of support, while flattering at first, ultimately puts undue pressure on the volunteer contributor. On the plus side, the comments come from people using the project. Perhaps GitHub was wrong to get rid of the upvote button on issues unconditionally. Having the option to enable it would probably have helped the Gogs case.

xmj 11y ago

The recent witch hunt against projects that don't have Code of Conducts. 'meh' did a masterful job with those: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/945 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/945

jordsmi 11y ago
My god those comments are a shitshow
- xmj 11y ago
  Meh is a genius in handling those people, you do have to admit that.
  - toolz 11y ago
    I don't know that I would go that far. He was very abrasive, whereas his core message could've been plenty to stop the nonsense he always added a little bit of aggression to keep the drama going. If he was a genius, you probably wouldn't ever have known the issue existed. At least it seems that way to me.
    - caseysoftware 11y ago
      But the people who started the attacks researched his profiles and publicized the entire thing. Their entire goal was public ridicule and getting him denounced. If this group of thugs is good at anything, it's getting the word out and the twitter mobs mobilized.
      - xmj 11y ago
        Bingo. And this is what makes the way he handled it -genius- :-)
- curiousjorge 11y ago
  I'm at a loss for words. I don't know whether to be angry that there's discrimination or the person playing the victim card and demanding change on a github out of all places. When the hell did github issues tracker turn into an all out debate forum?
notanybodyyouno 11y ago
If 'meh' had used a real name they probably would have attacked him pretty early in that conversation - going after his job or his reputation in other areas. The shield of a pseudonym allowed him to stand strong and forced his opponents to engage with him, resulting in this masterful display of defeating an SJW mob. This is a lesson to us all, and a reminder of what is no longer possible with "real name" policies.