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I don't think these were removed by a moderator. Rather, they are [flagkilled] because enough individual users flagged the article to pass some threshold. Wh

by nkurz 11y ago

I don't think these were removed by a moderator. Rather, they are [flagkilled] because enough individual users flagged the article to pass some threshold. While it's possible that Dan has reviewed and approved this, I think it's more likely that he is off duty for a bit, and that original post will be reinstated when he's back. But we'll see. In the meantime, could those who flagged either of these posts please explain their reasons?

meeper16 11y ago
Now I'm even more curious.
ams6110 11y ago
I didn't flag these, but I do tend to flag posts that are just more coverage of already well-trodden ground on topics that tend to promote a lot of ideological debate, just for example pretty much anything promoting "basic income" and most Tesla advocacy.
noobermin 11y ago
I've been on the site for almost two years and I haven't seen something quite like this[0]. Do you think Darn or another admin (are there other admins) would reply to this question so we could know for sure? [0] I don't say it with the connotation that I'm surprised given my experience, but the opposite: I haven't been around long enough to witness the response of the community during the heyday of such a controversial topic and want to know if the admins would actually respond
- meeper16 11y ago
  I also noticed that this very post here was on the front page a few mins ago and now it's nowhere to be found on the first, second, third or fourth page. This is strange and begs some answers.
  - thaumaturgy 11y ago
    That's what happens when people flag posts, and it's especially common on posts asking why other posts were flagged -- it keeps too much meta discussion from taking over. I didn't flag either of the other two submissions -- mostly because I've got pretty strict personal guidelines for flagging, and also because most such content doesn't have a long shelf-life on HN anyway -- but it would be easy to justify flagging them. @raganwald is a great guy. I'm really grateful for his participation on HN. He's articulate and tends to carefully consider his positions. But, I don't think this particular article from him is going to lead to very valuable discussion. With all due respect to his experiences, it's a somewhat shallow, low-effort article. It doesn't say anything new about the balance between hateful speech and free speech, which really is the conversation that needs to happen. It doesn't acknowledge that Reddit is often the largest online community for any subject, including hateful ones. And, if it inspires any conversation at all, it's likely just going to be a lot of drama between the "anti-hate-speech" crowd and the "anti-censorship" crowd.
    - braythwayt 11y ago
      I agree with everything you’re saying. There is a thing that applies to scientific theories, a question of whether they are fecund, do they provoke more insights and thoughts and productive debate? Some things I write might be very true, or very heartfelt, or very emotionally powerful, but not fecund. And fecundity is an important criterion for a site that uses posts as a catalyst for productive discussion.

by nkurz 11y ago

meeper16 11y ago

Now I'm even more curious.

ams6110 11y ago

I didn't flag these, but I do tend to flag posts that are just more coverage of already well-trodden ground on topics that tend to promote a lot of ideological debate, just for example pretty much anything promoting "basic income" and most Tesla advocacy.

noobermin 11y ago

I've been on the site for almost two years and I haven't seen something quite like this[0]. Do you think Darn or another admin (are there other admins) would reply to this question so we could know for sure? [0] I don't say it with the connotation that I'm surprised given my experience, but the opposite: I haven't been around long enough to witness the response of the community during the heyday of such a controversial topic and want to know if the admins would actually respond

meeper16 11y ago
I also noticed that this very post here was on the front page a few mins ago and now it's nowhere to be found on the first, second, third or fourth page. This is strange and begs some answers.
- thaumaturgy 11y ago
  That's what happens when people flag posts, and it's especially common on posts asking why other posts were flagged -- it keeps too much meta discussion from taking over. I didn't flag either of the other two submissions -- mostly because I've got pretty strict personal guidelines for flagging, and also because most such content doesn't have a long shelf-life on HN anyway -- but it would be easy to justify flagging them. @raganwald is a great guy. I'm really grateful for his participation on HN. He's articulate and tends to carefully consider his positions. But, I don't think this particular article from him is going to lead to very valuable discussion. With all due respect to his experiences, it's a somewhat shallow, low-effort article. It doesn't say anything new about the balance between hateful speech and free speech, which really is the conversation that needs to happen. It doesn't acknowledge that Reddit is often the largest online community for any subject, including hateful ones. And, if it inspires any conversation at all, it's likely just going to be a lot of drama between the "anti-hate-speech" crowd and the "anti-censorship" crowd.
  - braythwayt 11y ago
    I agree with everything you’re saying. There is a thing that applies to scientific theories, a question of whether they are fecund, do they provoke more insights and thoughts and productive debate? Some things I write might be very true, or very heartfelt, or very emotionally powerful, but not fecund. And fecundity is an important criterion for a site that uses posts as a catalyst for productive discussion.