> but ultimately the people in there seem to be involved with themselves and their affairs to an extend that makes it next to impossible to perceive them as an

> but ultimately the people in there seem to be involved with themselves and their affairs to an extend that makes it next to impossible to perceive them as an viable agent of change They're still the best option though. The other parties have by and large long since foregone wanting to shape the future for the better. They're mostly bureaucrats and administrators with a general lack of a positive vision. It's no use complaining. If you want to bring about change you'll need to get involved yourself. Besides, the Pirate Party had some successes recently regarding copyright and freedom of panorama laws so to some extent they already are a viable agent of change.