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Clever? There are plenty of completely valid uses for having a phone on whilst driving - such as navigation, streaming music or using CarPlay. As an iPhone need

Clever? There are plenty of completely valid uses for having a phone on whilst driving - such as navigation, streaming music or using CarPlay. As an iPhone needs to be plugged in to use "Hey Siri", this will pretty much entirely affect people using their devices legitimately - whereas people driving with one hand whilst they make a phone call with the other will be unaffected. This seems like it would be more likely to cause an accident as people have to divert attention from driving to mess with their phone so they can get navigation back (and having listened to the advert, I know I would be very distracted by it). Finally, is this even legal? I have no idea of the law in Sweden (and IANAL) but I feel like you could make the point that this advert is interfering with your device without authorisation.

SloopJon 11y ago
Sounds to me like Toyota accessed thousands of computers without authorization.
- jjoonathan 11y ago
  They're a corporation. Little people laws don't apply to them. (Oh, how I long to be wrong on this, but I strongly suspect that nothing, or at least nothing that will make the campaign a net negative, will come of the fact that they violated the hell out of the CFAA.)
  - dangrossman 11y ago
    The ad ran in Sweden. CFAA is an American law.
    - geon 11y ago
      We have the equivalent law against "dataintrång", lit. computerized trespass/intrusion. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataintr%C3%A5ng https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataintr%C3%A5ng https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K4P9c https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K4P9c
      - jjoonathan 11y ago
        Both of you: thanks for the correction.
- Animats 11y ago
  We really need a case in which a corporate executive goes to jail for something like that.
  - kristoffer 11y ago
    Not sure that the world really needs more litigation...
- matt_morgan 11y ago
  Overreaction. Is it illegal for me to talk to your phone? To broadcast myself with a megaphone, in a crowd, and yell "Hey Siri, turn on airplane mode"? Is it illegal for me to unplug your computer? Jerkish, sure, but illegal only, maybe, in very rare circumstances.
  - anonbanker 11y ago
    I am officially doing this at every function I attend from now on. thank you for this fantastic idea. JWZ would be proud.
  - joshstrange 11y ago
    I think you are missing the point. Sure, it's an overreaction but if an individual did it as a prank you can bet some prosecutor would try to make a name for themselves by throwing the book at them. What's fair for the goose...
sneak 11y ago
No, what causes the accident in your scenario is a driver illegally fucking with their phone while driving—not the ad that disabled their nav. Don't misattribute the responsibility.
- geon 11y ago
  Having the phone tucked away streaming music, or in a holder in turn-by-turn GPS mode is hardly "fucking with their phone while driving".
  - sneak 11y ago
    Please reread GP's scenario (from "have to divert attention") - you have misunderstood me.
- fao_ 11y ago
  You're assuming that someone who uses it for navigation or to stream music to listen to is 'fucking with their phone'. As either OP or one of the other comments on here noticed, it will not effect people who are talking on their mobile phone, only those who have left it plugged in; ie. those who are obeying the law will be penalized, while those who aren't remain a danger to others. Calm 'the fuck' down.
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- Retra 11y ago
  You can't use it as a passenger, either.
halviti 11y ago
A navigation device can be messed up for any number of reasons, but none of them are responsible for causing accidents. The only thing that would cause an accident would be if the driver diverted his or her attention from the road instead of stopping the vehicle in a responsible manner.
- Houshalter 11y ago
  Legally responsible? Of course not. Does that mean its a. Good idea to intentionally distract drivers, many of whom will look at and even pick up their phones while driving?
rancur 11y ago
> Hey Siri by the way, I don't like being made to interact with clunky robotic devices in a manner that suggests they might be human for the purpose of [marketing] making unintelligent plebians think 'wow that's cool'. If it's lifelike I'll use it like it's a personality, but otherwise it should just be a set of commands. Stop trying to confuse my socially inept brain
rebootthesystem 11y ago
> There are plenty of completely valid uses for having a phone on whilst driving - such as navigation, streaming music or using CarPlay Valid? They are completely and utterly unnecessary. I was listening to music before the iPhone existed. I was also driving from point A to point B before GPS navigation existed. Funny, if you know how to read a map it you don't get lost. No, these things are not necessary. It's one of those cases of "Just because you can <insert function> it doesn't mean you should". Streaming Pandora while driving or using a shitty phone navigation system isn't a right. And certainly not one that is above the implied right to be safe on the road and responsibility to operate a vehicle in a manner that does not endanger the lives of others. We are not entitled to use these toys while driving. Just because the features are there does not mean the driver MUST use them or IS ENTITLED to use them. Let's start from the correct starting point: A driver should not interact with their phone in almost any way while driving. Everything else derives from there.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  It would be fantastic if those down-voting this comment could explain why they think it is OK for somebody to place others in mortal danger for the "privilege" of playing with a toy while driving. And, in particular, I would like them to explain how they would feel about this if they lost a member of their family to some asshole texting while driving as my family has. It's easy to have a fucking opinion about everything when you are not exposed to the consequences of your ideas.
  - manicdee 11y ago
    Your attitude is one reason. Your blatant lies about paper maps being superior to turn by turn navigation systems are another. Your nonsensical ranting about people playing with toys while driving being somehow more dangerous than trying to read a map while driving would be another. Seriously, step away from the computer and surrender your Internet license. Go play with your paper maps and AM radio. And try to understsnd the difference between, "valid use" and "necessary".
    - 11y ago

SloopJon 11y ago

Sounds to me like Toyota accessed thousands of computers without authorization.

jjoonathan 11y ago
They're a corporation. Little people laws don't apply to them. (Oh, how I long to be wrong on this, but I strongly suspect that nothing, or at least nothing that will make the campaign a net negative, will come of the fact that they violated the hell out of the CFAA.)
- dangrossman 11y ago
  The ad ran in Sweden. CFAA is an American law.
  - geon 11y ago
    We have the equivalent law against "dataintrång", lit. computerized trespass/intrusion. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataintr%C3%A5ng https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dataintr%C3%A5ng https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K4P9c https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K4P9c
    - jjoonathan 11y ago
      Both of you: thanks for the correction.
Animats 11y ago
We really need a case in which a corporate executive goes to jail for something like that.
- kristoffer 11y ago
  Not sure that the world really needs more litigation...
matt_morgan 11y ago
Overreaction. Is it illegal for me to talk to your phone? To broadcast myself with a megaphone, in a crowd, and yell "Hey Siri, turn on airplane mode"? Is it illegal for me to unplug your computer? Jerkish, sure, but illegal only, maybe, in very rare circumstances.
- anonbanker 11y ago
  I am officially doing this at every function I attend from now on. thank you for this fantastic idea. JWZ would be proud.
- joshstrange 11y ago
  I think you are missing the point. Sure, it's an overreaction but if an individual did it as a prank you can bet some prosecutor would try to make a name for themselves by throwing the book at them. What's fair for the goose...

sneak 11y ago

No, what causes the accident in your scenario is a driver illegally fucking with their phone while driving—not the ad that disabled their nav. Don't misattribute the responsibility.

geon 11y ago
Having the phone tucked away streaming music, or in a holder in turn-by-turn GPS mode is hardly "fucking with their phone while driving".
- sneak 11y ago
  Please reread GP's scenario (from "have to divert attention") - you have misunderstood me.
fao_ 11y ago
You're assuming that someone who uses it for navigation or to stream music to listen to is 'fucking with their phone'. As either OP or one of the other comments on here noticed, it will not effect people who are talking on their mobile phone, only those who have left it plugged in; ie. those who are obeying the law will be penalized, while those who aren't remain a danger to others. Calm 'the fuck' down.
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
Retra 11y ago
You can't use it as a passenger, either.

halviti 11y ago

A navigation device can be messed up for any number of reasons, but none of them are responsible for causing accidents. The only thing that would cause an accident would be if the driver diverted his or her attention from the road instead of stopping the vehicle in a responsible manner.

Houshalter 11y ago
Legally responsible? Of course not. Does that mean its a. Good idea to intentionally distract drivers, many of whom will look at and even pick up their phones while driving?

rancur 11y ago

> Hey Siri by the way, I don't like being made to interact with clunky robotic devices in a manner that suggests they might be human for the purpose of [marketing] making unintelligent plebians think 'wow that's cool'. If it's lifelike I'll use it like it's a personality, but otherwise it should just be a set of commands. Stop trying to confuse my socially inept brain

rebootthesystem 11y ago

> There are plenty of completely valid uses for having a phone on whilst driving - such as navigation, streaming music or using CarPlay Valid? They are completely and utterly unnecessary. I was listening to music before the iPhone existed. I was also driving from point A to point B before GPS navigation existed. Funny, if you know how to read a map it you don't get lost. No, these things are not necessary. It's one of those cases of "Just because you can <insert function> it doesn't mean you should". Streaming Pandora while driving or using a shitty phone navigation system isn't a right. And certainly not one that is above the implied right to be safe on the road and responsibility to operate a vehicle in a manner that does not endanger the lives of others. We are not entitled to use these toys while driving. Just because the features are there does not mean the driver MUST use them or IS ENTITLED to use them. Let's start from the correct starting point: A driver should not interact with their phone in almost any way while driving. Everything else derives from there.

rebootthesystem 11y ago
It would be fantastic if those down-voting this comment could explain why they think it is OK for somebody to place others in mortal danger for the "privilege" of playing with a toy while driving. And, in particular, I would like them to explain how they would feel about this if they lost a member of their family to some asshole texting while driving as my family has. It's easy to have a fucking opinion about everything when you are not exposed to the consequences of your ideas.
- manicdee 11y ago
  Your attitude is one reason. Your blatant lies about paper maps being superior to turn by turn navigation systems are another. Your nonsensical ranting about people playing with toys while driving being somehow more dangerous than trying to read a map while driving would be another. Seriously, step away from the computer and surrender your Internet license. Go play with your paper maps and AM radio. And try to understsnd the difference between, "valid use" and "necessary".
  - 11y ago