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What you're saying is that you saved 10% electricity and helped the environment at no cost to you. (You might have bought some expensive LED lights, but at leas

What you're saying is that you saved 10% electricity and helped the environment at no cost to you. (You might have bought some expensive LED lights, but at least they'll last a number of years.) I also got a little annoyed this year when my energy provider informed me that the electricity costs would sink (pegged to actual marked prices) and the fixed costs would rise. That change made my electricity more expensive only because I use very little electricity. Regardless of that change though, using more electricity would still cost me more — so there is no reason to leave the lights on for good measure. The change just reflects the nature of utilities. The utility has to maintain the grid no matter how much electricity you use. If the fixed costs increase that just means the pricing is more realistic.

mrweasel 11y ago
> What you're saying is that you saved 10% electricity and helped the environment at no cost to you. That's not what I'm saying. We're aren't talking about just changing light bulbs, most people I know did that years ago. All the easy stuff was done years ago, it's trying to eliminate standby power consumption, turning of the oven early cooking on the residual heat, buying a new fridge and so on. Expensive and cumbersome things. Sure people want to help the environment, but it would be more motivating if all your investments and vigilance was reflected on your electric bill. A typical Danish electric bill is: 10% transport, paying for the grid. 45% electric tax (Just a tax, not really clear what it's for). 20% sales tax 10% PSO tax, for securing electrical supply, support for green energy production and research. 15% Actual energy usage. I'm concerned that people will stop trying to save energy, if it's not reflected on their bill. Most people will say that they want to help the environment, but honestly I don't think it's a motivating factor for remembering to turn of the light, the direct impact is simply to small.

mrweasel 11y ago

> What you're saying is that you saved 10% electricity and helped the environment at no cost to you. That's not what I'm saying. We're aren't talking about just changing light bulbs, most people I know did that years ago. All the easy stuff was done years ago, it's trying to eliminate standby power consumption, turning of the oven early cooking on the residual heat, buying a new fridge and so on. Expensive and cumbersome things. Sure people want to help the environment, but it would be more motivating if all your investments and vigilance was reflected on your electric bill. A typical Danish electric bill is: 10% transport, paying for the grid. 45% electric tax (Just a tax, not really clear what it's for). 20% sales tax 10% PSO tax, for securing electrical supply, support for green energy production and research. 15% Actual energy usage. I'm concerned that people will stop trying to save energy, if it's not reflected on their bill. Most people will say that they want to help the environment, but honestly I don't think it's a motivating factor for remembering to turn of the light, the direct impact is simply to small.