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That's why it says electricity. Also, when you can produce this much electricity (already), it makes it possible to fill electric cars' batteries with 100% rene

That's why it says electricity. Also, when you can produce this much electricity (already), it makes it possible to fill electric cars' batteries with 100% renewable energy.

krasin 11y ago
My (implied) point was that for every engine / machine that runs on gas / coal, there's an electric alternative. If the goal is to adopt 100% clean / renewable energy, we should count the electricity needs as the current electricity consumption + the electricity we need to run the replacement engines / machines. And that number is going to be significantly higher than wind can deliver.
- pbreit 11y ago
  Apparently you're wrong and we haven't even gotten to other sources such as hydro and solar.
  - krasin 11y ago
    Hydro (and geo-thermal) are good, but not universally available. Nor California, nor Israel would find it as an option. In opposite, both are desalinating the water using fossil fuels, just to cover basic needs. Solar sounds much better; and its potential crop is much higher than wind. Also, I am not saying that clean/distributed energy system is impossible. I am saying that the metric used in the article is misleading.
ekianjo 11y ago
You will need to burn a whole lot of fossil fuels to make batteries for every car on the road. Thats always ignored by proponents of electric cars who conveniently ignore the fact that batteries manufacturing processes are very dirty and use a number of toxic materials.
- lyschoening 11y ago
  You also need a lot of energy to make a car, or to build a combustion engine. Yes, battery driven cars are particularly polluting to produce, but a couple tanks full of gasoline will make up for the difference. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/07/21/are-electric-cars-really-that-polluting/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/07/21/are-electr...
mrweasel 11y ago
Denmark isn't currently geared to use electricity from wind mills to recharge electric cars. Well you can fill your battery of cause, but you can't choose to do it at specific times at reduced cost or by wind only. We really do need to get a system in place that can have variable rates.

That's why it says electricity. Also, when you can produce this much electricity (already), it makes it possible to fill electric cars' batteries with 100% renewable energy.

krasin 11y ago

My (implied) point was that for every engine / machine that runs on gas / coal, there's an electric alternative. If the goal is to adopt 100% clean / renewable energy, we should count the electricity needs as the current electricity consumption + the electricity we need to run the replacement engines / machines. And that number is going to be significantly higher than wind can deliver.

pbreit 11y ago
Apparently you're wrong and we haven't even gotten to other sources such as hydro and solar.
- krasin 11y ago
  Hydro (and geo-thermal) are good, but not universally available. Nor California, nor Israel would find it as an option. In opposite, both are desalinating the water using fossil fuels, just to cover basic needs. Solar sounds much better; and its potential crop is much higher than wind. Also, I am not saying that clean/distributed energy system is impossible. I am saying that the metric used in the article is misleading.

ekianjo 11y ago

You will need to burn a whole lot of fossil fuels to make batteries for every car on the road. Thats always ignored by proponents of electric cars who conveniently ignore the fact that batteries manufacturing processes are very dirty and use a number of toxic materials.

lyschoening 11y ago
You also need a lot of energy to make a car, or to build a combustion engine. Yes, battery driven cars are particularly polluting to produce, but a couple tanks full of gasoline will make up for the difference. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/07/21/are-electric-cars-really-that-polluting/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/07/21/are-electr...

mrweasel 11y ago

Denmark isn't currently geared to use electricity from wind mills to recharge electric cars. Well you can fill your battery of cause, but you can't choose to do it at specific times at reduced cost or by wind only. We really do need to get a system in place that can have variable rates.