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I really object to people collecting data about me without my consent, because I value my ability to lie and misrepresent myself when it serves my purposes. I

I really object to people collecting data about me without my consent, because I value my ability to lie and misrepresent myself when it serves my purposes. I think that's an important part of human freedom, and taking it away is evil.

netcan 17y ago
You could say that people collect data about you without your consent constantly. When someone says "mquander would hate that!" they are using a mental model of you that was built using data collected without your consent.
- ismarc 17y ago
  Any behavior or opinions they expressed, true or otherwise, would have built that mental model, and thus with implied consent by providing the information to them. If you provide information to someone, you are giving them consent to collect that data. The retention and use may be implied or explicit. Such as, if I told you "My luggage combination is 12345", I have consented to you collecting that information. There may be an implied expectation of you using, or not using that combination. The key thing to understand about what is being discussed is that this is all with regards to an expectation of privacy. Such as, I buy product X and store Y every Friday. I have a reasonable expectation that store Y will not tell anyone that asks that I buy product X, or that I buy something every Friday, or that I buy product X every Friday. This expectation of privacy is after having entrusted company Y with that information. An employee at company Y could suggest product Z to me, having seen me purchasing product X repeatedly. This is not an invasion of privacy as the information collected was with consent (I provided it to them), however, it may be a misuse of information collected, depending on any standing agreements. However, if served with a subpeona, I should have no expectation of company Y withholding information, just as I have no expectation of preventing a search of my home if I was presented with a search warrant (providing the subpeona and warrant provide in them the necessary scope).
csallen 17y ago
Okay fair enough, let's assume that lying and misrepresentation are good things. So, how can Google be responsible for preventing your ability to lie or misrepresent yourself in a way that's not entirely within your power to prevent?

netcan 17y ago

You could say that people collect data about you without your consent constantly. When someone says "mquander would hate that!" they are using a mental model of you that was built using data collected without your consent.

ismarc 17y ago
Any behavior or opinions they expressed, true or otherwise, would have built that mental model, and thus with implied consent by providing the information to them. If you provide information to someone, you are giving them consent to collect that data. The retention and use may be implied or explicit. Such as, if I told you "My luggage combination is 12345", I have consented to you collecting that information. There may be an implied expectation of you using, or not using that combination. The key thing to understand about what is being discussed is that this is all with regards to an expectation of privacy. Such as, I buy product X and store Y every Friday. I have a reasonable expectation that store Y will not tell anyone that asks that I buy product X, or that I buy something every Friday, or that I buy product X every Friday. This expectation of privacy is after having entrusted company Y with that information. An employee at company Y could suggest product Z to me, having seen me purchasing product X repeatedly. This is not an invasion of privacy as the information collected was with consent (I provided it to them), however, it may be a misuse of information collected, depending on any standing agreements. However, if served with a subpeona, I should have no expectation of company Y withholding information, just as I have no expectation of preventing a search of my home if I was presented with a search warrant (providing the subpeona and warrant provide in them the necessary scope).

csallen 17y ago

Okay fair enough, let's assume that lying and misrepresentation are good things. So, how can Google be responsible for preventing your ability to lie or misrepresent yourself in a way that's not entirely within your power to prevent?