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He is perpetuating the meme of the deserving and the undeserving poor though... EDIT source http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deserving+and+the+undeserving+poor http://lmgt

He is perpetuating the meme of the deserving and the undeserving poor though... EDIT source http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deserving+and+the+undeserving+poor http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deserving+and+the+undeserving+poor

lliamander 11y ago
I don't presume to speak on his behalf, but from what I can tell, he is saying that some poor are helped by direct cash payments, and some are not. How does that lead to a distinction of deserving/undeserving? I guess my question is, what do you mean by deserving/undeserving? Deserving of what?
- JupiterMoon 11y ago
  The concept of the deserving and undeserving poor is an old (Victorian times) concept in the UK. It relates to the idea that some people are poor because they are feckless and lazy (the undeserving), whilst others are poor due to circumstances beyond their control (the deserving). The links from google in my earlier post should be sufficient to explain further details.
  - lliamander 11y ago
    Citing a google search is a bit lame. Suffice it to say that I am familiar with the concept (hint: it is a lot older than Victorian England) and that I am asking you to defend your statement about ianferrel's comment. So again, what do you mean by "deserving"? What do the poor deserve that (in your interpretation) ianferrel claims they do not? It is one thing to say that some peoples' poverty is the result of their bad decision making skills. It is another to say that cash payments are not an effective form of assistance for such people. It is something else altogether to say that we should throw such people to the wolves. Do you acknowledge these distinctions, or do you think they are insignificant?
    - JupiterMoon 11y ago
      > Suffice it to say that I am familiar with the concept Cool > again, what do you mean by "deserving"? What do the poor deserve that (in your interpretation) ianferrel claims they do not? Actually nope not cool. You are clearly not familiar with the concept. This question does not make any sense in terms of the concept... The concept of the deserving and undeserving poor has nothing to do with what the poor in general deserve or don't deserve. It implies that there are two type of poor people. 1. Deserving poor people (in ianferrel's mind those that make sensible decisions about money) 2. Undeserving poor people (in ianferrel's mind those that make poor decision about money) I raised this issue because in Victorian England this concept was behind a lot of hand wringing and moralisation and very little actual social improvement. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it - but those that don't know it can't help but forget it and people like ianferrel are clearly missing a huge swath of social history which would help them gain context for their opinions.

lliamander 11y ago

I don't presume to speak on his behalf, but from what I can tell, he is saying that some poor are helped by direct cash payments, and some are not. How does that lead to a distinction of deserving/undeserving? I guess my question is, what do you mean by deserving/undeserving? Deserving of what?

JupiterMoon 11y ago
The concept of the deserving and undeserving poor is an old (Victorian times) concept in the UK. It relates to the idea that some people are poor because they are feckless and lazy (the undeserving), whilst others are poor due to circumstances beyond their control (the deserving). The links from google in my earlier post should be sufficient to explain further details.
- lliamander 11y ago
  Citing a google search is a bit lame. Suffice it to say that I am familiar with the concept (hint: it is a lot older than Victorian England) and that I am asking you to defend your statement about ianferrel's comment. So again, what do you mean by "deserving"? What do the poor deserve that (in your interpretation) ianferrel claims they do not? It is one thing to say that some peoples' poverty is the result of their bad decision making skills. It is another to say that cash payments are not an effective form of assistance for such people. It is something else altogether to say that we should throw such people to the wolves. Do you acknowledge these distinctions, or do you think they are insignificant?
  - JupiterMoon 11y ago
    > Suffice it to say that I am familiar with the concept Cool > again, what do you mean by "deserving"? What do the poor deserve that (in your interpretation) ianferrel claims they do not? Actually nope not cool. You are clearly not familiar with the concept. This question does not make any sense in terms of the concept... The concept of the deserving and undeserving poor has nothing to do with what the poor in general deserve or don't deserve. It implies that there are two type of poor people. 1. Deserving poor people (in ianferrel's mind those that make sensible decisions about money) 2. Undeserving poor people (in ianferrel's mind those that make poor decision about money) I raised this issue because in Victorian England this concept was behind a lot of hand wringing and moralisation and very little actual social improvement. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it - but those that don't know it can't help but forget it and people like ianferrel are clearly missing a huge swath of social history which would help them gain context for their opinions.