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If whites were 1) running the country and 2) racist then the immigration policies of this country would have kept the USA as a white majority country. Instea

If whites were 1) running the country and 2) racist then the immigration policies of this country would have kept the USA as a white majority country. Instead, white people are becoming a minority in the USA and European countries. "As Of Today, California No Longer Has A White Majority" http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/07/01/2238421/california-latinos-equal-white-population/ http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/07/01/2238421/cali...

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. As the great melting pot processes along, its inevitable that 'pure white' folks will disappear. And that's a problem, why?
- mplscoder 11y ago
  You are just arbitrarily defining whites to mean nonsense and accusing me of being a racist which I am not, I am a Catholic and I believe racism is illogical, but I still get annoyed reading about how all us whites are supposedly racist or secretly racist, and couch everything in our secret racist ideology. I didn't say it was a problem for a country to be non-white. I said that it simply proves that white racists are not running everything, which it does. The WASP elites are not running everything anymore - its not the 1920s.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    Don't go overboard, there. The idea that 'white people' are disappearing is a racist notion. Because of an ancient notion that if you are 'polluted' by even 1% 'black blood' then you're not white. On the face of it, that's nonsense. Why not say that even 1% 'white blood' makes you white? Then the USA is almost entirely white. And half a percent of the USA are running the whole country. I suspect they are all old white guys. We're more than halfway done proving the "they are in charge" accusation, right?
    - mplscoder 11y ago
      What's the point of talking if you are going to just make up stuff I supposedly said, you're arguing with things you imagined I said. Did I say "white people are disappearing" No. I don't know where this 'ancient notion' stuff you are arguing with comes from either. I can't argue on the internet with someone who can't read.
      - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
        Ok, sorry, I didn't actually mean to attack you at all. I was injecting the comment that what it means to be white or black is a flawed notion, and any discussion around that is likewise flawed. I retract any impression you have that I was criticizing you personally, and retire from the discussion.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. Only to the extent that present self-identification of people as non-whites is driven by their internalization of the one-drop rule, since these statistics, like most modern consideration of racial demographics, is driven by self-identification, not authoritarian ancenstry-tracing and application of the one-drop rule. Though the "majority non-White" characterization does seem to be a mischaracterization of "majority non-(non-Hispanic White)" finding.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> If whites were 1) running the country and 2) racist then the immigration policies of this country would have kept the USA as a white majority country. Why? Why would the whites holding the majority of the power oppose having greater non-white subject populations as long as they were still subject? (One might argue that this would be short-sighted, on the assumption that minority dominance isn't indefinitely sustainable, but at a minimum this requires assuming that the white rulers were not merely racist, but also uniformly long-term strategic thinkers.)
- mplscoder 11y ago
  If whites are running everything, what policy exists for them to maintain power? Trying to keep America white by immigration? No Media favoring white people? No (they called the hispanic George Zimmerman white to further their 'white people are all rascist' narrative') Passing laws that favor the majority white religion (Christianity)? No
  - Nadya 11y ago
    It's simple. White people are really bad at running things! The fact they do so poorly at maintaining the status quo in their best interest is evidence of this! The sooner you realize their line of thinking is very similar to a conspiracy theorist's, in that any contrary evidence is used as evidence to further support their thinking, the better off you are. It's not too dissimilar from a conspiracy theorist saying "the government isn't incompetent... they just want you to believe they are! It's a guise!"
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > If whites are running everything, what policy exists for them to maintain power? That's a whole different argument than the one you made upthread; if that's what you wanted to argue, why didn't you argue that first, instead of what you did (which you apparently aren't interested in defending.) Note that the comment you are responding to doesn't argue that whites are running everything, it argues that your previously-stated basis for rejecting that is unsound. > Trying to keep America white by immigration? By restricting immigration, and not allowing the overall quotas to align with where the people otherwise qualified and interested in coming are located? Certainly. By adopting a variety of non-immigrant foreign labor schemes, certainly also. > Media favoring white people? No (they called the hispanic George Zimmerman white to further their 'white people are all rascist' narrative') Zimmerman is of white race and Hispanic ethnicity. > Passing laws that favor the majority white religion (Christianity)? Whites in the US are less likely to be Christian than Blacks. (And given your comments on Zimmerman, which seems to indicate that you reject the normal definition of race and see Hispanics as inherently non-white, well, Hispanics are also far more likely to be Christian than Whites in general -- and this is even more true, obviously, Hispanics vs. non-Hispanic Whites.) Overall, Whites aren't any more Christian than the population at large, so laws favoring Christianity as such don't really relatively favor Whites.
DanBC 11y ago
> Instead, white people are becoming a minority in [...] European countries. Do you actually believe this? It's nonsense and nowhere near true. Where did you get such a distorted fact from? EDIT: also you may want to look into segregation and post-segregation, where white Americans were given low cost mortgages and black Americans were pushed into projects.
- mplscoder 11y ago
  Muslim immigration is converting Europe from a white majority to African / Arab majority. >>Where did you get such a 'distorted' fact from? Deutsche Welle >>Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Germany has a population of 80m people. Your figure claims a Muslim population of 3m. Even if we assume all of those people are black it's still dwarfed by the 77million other people.
    - mplscoder 11y ago
      I guess you can't follow the point.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        I'm having trouble - the point is incoherent. You said that whites are becoming a minority in Europe. I asked for an example and you pointed to Muslim (who are not necessarily non-white) population of Germany, and quoted a 3million number. The muslim population of Germany by your own figures is fucking tiny. The black population of Germany is even smaller, less than 500,000 people. So how does less than 10% of the population being black get turned into "whites are becomming a minority"?

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. As the great melting pot processes along, its inevitable that 'pure white' folks will disappear. And that's a problem, why?

mplscoder 11y ago
You are just arbitrarily defining whites to mean nonsense and accusing me of being a racist which I am not, I am a Catholic and I believe racism is illogical, but I still get annoyed reading about how all us whites are supposedly racist or secretly racist, and couch everything in our secret racist ideology. I didn't say it was a problem for a country to be non-white. I said that it simply proves that white racists are not running everything, which it does. The WASP elites are not running everything anymore - its not the 1920s.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  Don't go overboard, there. The idea that 'white people' are disappearing is a racist notion. Because of an ancient notion that if you are 'polluted' by even 1% 'black blood' then you're not white. On the face of it, that's nonsense. Why not say that even 1% 'white blood' makes you white? Then the USA is almost entirely white. And half a percent of the USA are running the whole country. I suspect they are all old white guys. We're more than halfway done proving the "they are in charge" accusation, right?
  - mplscoder 11y ago
    What's the point of talking if you are going to just make up stuff I supposedly said, you're arguing with things you imagined I said. Did I say "white people are disappearing" No. I don't know where this 'ancient notion' stuff you are arguing with comes from either. I can't argue on the internet with someone who can't read.
    - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
      Ok, sorry, I didn't actually mean to attack you at all. I was injecting the comment that what it means to be white or black is a flawed notion, and any discussion around that is likewise flawed. I retract any impression you have that I was criticizing you personally, and retire from the discussion.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> Sure, but that's couched in racist ideology: you are black (or non-white) if you have any fraction of not-white blood. Only to the extent that present self-identification of people as non-whites is driven by their internalization of the one-drop rule, since these statistics, like most modern consideration of racial demographics, is driven by self-identification, not authoritarian ancenstry-tracing and application of the one-drop rule. Though the "majority non-White" characterization does seem to be a mischaracterization of "majority non-(non-Hispanic White)" finding.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> If whites were 1) running the country and 2) racist then the immigration policies of this country would have kept the USA as a white majority country. Why? Why would the whites holding the majority of the power oppose having greater non-white subject populations as long as they were still subject? (One might argue that this would be short-sighted, on the assumption that minority dominance isn't indefinitely sustainable, but at a minimum this requires assuming that the white rulers were not merely racist, but also uniformly long-term strategic thinkers.)

mplscoder 11y ago
If whites are running everything, what policy exists for them to maintain power? Trying to keep America white by immigration? No Media favoring white people? No (they called the hispanic George Zimmerman white to further their 'white people are all rascist' narrative') Passing laws that favor the majority white religion (Christianity)? No
- Nadya 11y ago
  It's simple. White people are really bad at running things! The fact they do so poorly at maintaining the status quo in their best interest is evidence of this! The sooner you realize their line of thinking is very similar to a conspiracy theorist's, in that any contrary evidence is used as evidence to further support their thinking, the better off you are. It's not too dissimilar from a conspiracy theorist saying "the government isn't incompetent... they just want you to believe they are! It's a guise!"
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > If whites are running everything, what policy exists for them to maintain power? That's a whole different argument than the one you made upthread; if that's what you wanted to argue, why didn't you argue that first, instead of what you did (which you apparently aren't interested in defending.) Note that the comment you are responding to doesn't argue that whites are running everything, it argues that your previously-stated basis for rejecting that is unsound. > Trying to keep America white by immigration? By restricting immigration, and not allowing the overall quotas to align with where the people otherwise qualified and interested in coming are located? Certainly. By adopting a variety of non-immigrant foreign labor schemes, certainly also. > Media favoring white people? No (they called the hispanic George Zimmerman white to further their 'white people are all rascist' narrative') Zimmerman is of white race and Hispanic ethnicity. > Passing laws that favor the majority white religion (Christianity)? Whites in the US are less likely to be Christian than Blacks. (And given your comments on Zimmerman, which seems to indicate that you reject the normal definition of race and see Hispanics as inherently non-white, well, Hispanics are also far more likely to be Christian than Whites in general -- and this is even more true, obviously, Hispanics vs. non-Hispanic Whites.) Overall, Whites aren't any more Christian than the population at large, so laws favoring Christianity as such don't really relatively favor Whites.

DanBC 11y ago

> Instead, white people are becoming a minority in [...] European countries. Do you actually believe this? It's nonsense and nowhere near true. Where did you get such a distorted fact from? EDIT: also you may want to look into segregation and post-segregation, where white Americans were given low cost mortgages and black Americans were pushed into projects.

mplscoder 11y ago
Muslim immigration is converting Europe from a white majority to African / Arab majority. >>Where did you get such a 'distorted' fact from? Deutsche Welle >>Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Germany has a population of 80m people. Your figure claims a Muslim population of 3m. Even if we assume all of those people are black it's still dwarfed by the 77million other people.
  - mplscoder 11y ago
    I guess you can't follow the point.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      I'm having trouble - the point is incoherent. You said that whites are becoming a minority in Europe. I asked for an example and you pointed to Muslim (who are not necessarily non-white) population of Germany, and quoted a 3million number. The muslim population of Germany by your own figures is fucking tiny. The black population of Germany is even smaller, less than 500,000 people. So how does less than 10% of the population being black get turned into "whites are becomming a minority"?