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> Yes, of course it is possible, if we change the meaning of "intelligent" to fit what a computer does. :) I don't think that's what he's doing. Otherwise he c

by habitue 11y ago

> Yes, of course it is possible, if we change the meaning of "intelligent" to fit what a computer does. :) I don't think that's what he's doing. Otherwise he could just define intelligence to mean what computers do now. Clearly he has at least roughly the same idea of intelligence you or I do. > "I believe it's not in serious doubt that an intelligent computer is possible" Do you have an objection to this specific statement when taken to mean general human-like intelligence being exhibited by computers? I have not heard anyone defend the opposite viewpoint often, and I'm interested if there are any compelling arguments why it's not possible.

turkeysandwich 11y ago
Any algorithms we use to simulate intelligence with machines are excessively wasteful. There's not enough energy to simulate human intelligence at the same speed that humans think, without just essentially producing biological computers. And that's more of bio-engineering than anything relating to computing.
paulojreis 11y ago
> Do you have an objection to this specific statement when taken to mean general human-like intelligence being exhibited by computers? I have not heard anyone defend the opposite viewpoint often, and I'm interested if there are any compelling arguments why it's not possible. A few aspects which relate and shape intelligence: 1) Socialization; 2) Embodiment (the fact that I have a body and the body has feedback loops - affects and is affected by cognition); 3) Emotions (we have "hunches" and those hunches are surprisingly many times adequate); 4) Language (our sign system affects our perception of the world). Will a computer be able to be a sociable, embodied person? I tend to think that it won't, so that's roughly why I believe a computer won't ever have "intelligence" (unless, again, we redefine intelligence).
- nkassis 11y ago
  1) 2) 3) Are I think research goals of robotics. None are simple but I don't personally think they require anything that isn't possible to accomplish with computer + physical objects beyond the computer itself.

by habitue 11y ago

turkeysandwich 11y ago

Any algorithms we use to simulate intelligence with machines are excessively wasteful. There's not enough energy to simulate human intelligence at the same speed that humans think, without just essentially producing biological computers. And that's more of bio-engineering than anything relating to computing.

paulojreis 11y ago

> Do you have an objection to this specific statement when taken to mean general human-like intelligence being exhibited by computers? I have not heard anyone defend the opposite viewpoint often, and I'm interested if there are any compelling arguments why it's not possible. A few aspects which relate and shape intelligence: 1) Socialization; 2) Embodiment (the fact that I have a body and the body has feedback loops - affects and is affected by cognition); 3) Emotions (we have "hunches" and those hunches are surprisingly many times adequate); 4) Language (our sign system affects our perception of the world). Will a computer be able to be a sociable, embodied person? I tend to think that it won't, so that's roughly why I believe a computer won't ever have "intelligence" (unless, again, we redefine intelligence).

nkassis 11y ago
1) 2) 3) Are I think research goals of robotics. None are simple but I don't personally think they require anything that isn't possible to accomplish with computer + physical objects beyond the computer itself.