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Uh, in case you hadn't heard, Hacking Team has been accused of doing heaps of terrible stuff already. How would this be "beyond the pale" for them?

by beedogs 11y ago

compbio 11y ago
I think it is a bit ironic that some seem to have no qualms accusing a company of creating fake child porn accusations. It follows the exact same reasoning for planting evidence: How would child porn be beyond the pale for a dissident? Even if they have a terrible track record, this code implies nothing that they are currently accused of. It is not like the code is heavily obfuscated or missing other parts. Let's not forget these leaks were "planted" too and we have no idea about its integrity.
- palmer_eldritch 11y ago
  Yeah, I think it's the responsibility of the user to bring his own child porn to plant on his victim's computer. Any tool you can use to upload files on a remote system can be used for that. Hacking Team's tools certainly allow that but I very much doubt they have a tool specialized for planting child porn/evidence on a computer. But then... we're so used of seeing child porn used as a straw man to increase surveillance that's it's pretty fun to see it used against one of the companies making tools to help with said surveillance. Even if it's wrong.
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    Most anyone interested in this story immediately jumped on the code thinking it was inserting files. Then a few software engineers took a look at the code and realize the file names were pretty much jokes. Now, everyone thinks it a joke that the tool inserts such material, when in reality it allows any user to insert any file they have, so the government (who has a collection of illegal files) can still use this to frame someone but any outrage over it has been dissipated. I'm not saying it was intended to happen like this but it is sad it did.
carlom 11y ago
"pippo" and "pluto" are used in Italian as "foo" and "bar" are used in English, see http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_28.html#TAG1136 http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_28.html#TAG1... .

Uh, in case you hadn't heard, Hacking Team has been accused of doing heaps of terrible stuff already. How would this be "beyond the pale" for them?

by beedogs 11y ago

Uh, in case you hadn't heard, Hacking Team has been accused of doing heaps of terrible stuff already. How would this be "beyond the pale" for them?

compbio 11y ago

I think it is a bit ironic that some seem to have no qualms accusing a company of creating fake child porn accusations. It follows the exact same reasoning for planting evidence: How would child porn be beyond the pale for a dissident? Even if they have a terrible track record, this code implies nothing that they are currently accused of. It is not like the code is heavily obfuscated or missing other parts. Let's not forget these leaks were "planted" too and we have no idea about its integrity.

palmer_eldritch 11y ago
Yeah, I think it's the responsibility of the user to bring his own child porn to plant on his victim's computer. Any tool you can use to upload files on a remote system can be used for that. Hacking Team's tools certainly allow that but I very much doubt they have a tool specialized for planting child porn/evidence on a computer. But then... we're so used of seeing child porn used as a straw man to increase surveillance that's it's pretty fun to see it used against one of the companies making tools to help with said surveillance. Even if it's wrong.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  Most anyone interested in this story immediately jumped on the code thinking it was inserting files. Then a few software engineers took a look at the code and realize the file names were pretty much jokes. Now, everyone thinks it a joke that the tool inserts such material, when in reality it allows any user to insert any file they have, so the government (who has a collection of illegal files) can still use this to frame someone but any outrage over it has been dissipated. I'm not saying it was intended to happen like this but it is sad it did.

carlom 11y ago

"pippo" and "pluto" are used in Italian as "foo" and "bar" are used in English, see http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_28.html#TAG1136 http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_28.html#TAG1... .