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Aside from the public watching people having unprotected sex (which isn't really unprotected - they are extensively tested and the chain of sexual partners is w

by tibbon 17y ago

Aside from the public watching people having unprotected sex (which isn't really unprotected - they are extensively tested and the chain of sexual partners is well documented in case there is an outbreak. Plus every female actor is on some form of birth control), what is the problem that they are trying to solve here? Like he said, there was only one outbreak in that community, which is far better than your average college campus. Plus aren't these films intended for people 18+ who are supposed to be able to separate out fantasy from reality?

teilo 17y ago
You are living in a fantasy land. If you actually had the time to talk to real porn stars who aren't being managed by a handler, they would tell you a completely different story. What you say may be true of the really big, "high brow" porn companies, but it is certainly not true for the bulk of the porn that is produced in the US. Ask one of the doctors whose job it is to do this testing, not just for HIV, but for the whole range of STDs. I was told by one former porn star who has interviewed said doctors that somewhere around 65% of the porn stars he tests have Herpes. I have also heard Audrey Hollander admit, in an interview, that if you have been in that industry for any amount of time, then you have herpes, period. There is so much evil crap going on in this industry, but there is also a whole lot of denial among porn consumers who justify their habits by statements much like yours. http://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-stars-speak-out-stds-drugs-and-abuse http://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-stars-speak-out-stds-drugs... http://www.jupaman.com/2008/04/23/genital-herpes-and-pornographythe-hidden-side-of-porn/ http://www.jupaman.com/2008/04/23/genital-herpes-and-pornogr...
- weeksie 17y ago
  Check the CDC site for info on herpes. Something like one in 5 people have it, that means if you're even moderately sexually active you probably do as well. The vast majority of the population is asymptomatic which is why there's such a stigma over the virus. In reality it's not a big deal at all. Freaking out over herpes is as silly as freaking out over HPV which is so common it might as well be a genetic marker for losing your virginity.
  - 83457 17y ago
    Not to mention that you can get herpes while using a condom.
  - TriinT 17y ago
    Herpes may not kill like HIV does, but it likely makes one wish one were dead. You say it's fine to have herpes, when in reality it is not. At all. It affects your sexual life, hence it affects your personal life as well. A pregnant woman with an herpes outbreak is endangering her baby. There's a very good reason society's morals have evolved towards condemning promiscuity. The sex revolution only happened a few decades ago because of penicilin and antibiotics. Sure, many people carry the HSV without even knowing it, but that does not mean it's OK to have it. And, as you know, it is known that HPV causes cancer, so I don't think it's OK to carry it as well. In the end, the only truly safe sex is masturbation, but that's not a life option I recommend to anyone. When teenagers are educated on sex via porn movies, promoting safe sex is the responsible thing to do. If the no-condom movies went underground, then one could ban them. Or rate them as akin to child porn, and hence, illegal. In any case, if there are people willing to pay for no-condom porn, then the world is sicker than I imagined in my worst nightmares...
    - rms 17y ago
      >In any case, if there are people willing to pay for no-condom porn, then the world is sicker than I imagined in my worst nightmares... You wouldn't like to see the other things people are willing to pay for.
    - weeksie 17y ago
      I'm sorry but can you tell me how asymptomatic Herpes has a negative effect on one's life? Most people who have Herpes don't know it. Frankly the scare over Herpes and HPV has a lot more to do with shaming people who are sexually active. I don't think you realize exactly how common these "diseases" are. Roughly 50% of the population carries HPV, sure some strains are linked to cancer but it's quite insignificant compared to the number of people who actually carry the virus. As for Herpes, for it to cause a problem you must be symptomatic, which as I stated earlier the vast majority of the population is not. To use these relatively harmless viruses as a way to scare people away from sex is disingenuous and dishonest. Whether or not it is OK to be promiscuous in the modern world is a moral discussion, it is perfectly possible to be healthy and have a lot of partners.
aberman 17y ago
"only one outbreak in that community, which is far better than your average college campus" So the average college campus has much more than one outbreak of HIV? Somehow I doubt that...
- Locke1689 17y ago
  Since 1998? I'd say that's accurate...
hristov 17y ago
He said there was "only one major outbreak." I don't know what they consider major or minor, but that does not mean there have not been other minor outbreaks and I am scared to think how many people are going to die because of that "only one major outbreak." I think when you are talking about AIDS, "only one major outbreak" is a rather dubious safety record. I think that is better than any college campus. I have no been aware of any major AIDS outbreaks in college campuses in the last 10 years.

by tibbon 17y ago

teilo 17y ago

You are living in a fantasy land. If you actually had the time to talk to real porn stars who aren't being managed by a handler, they would tell you a completely different story. What you say may be true of the really big, "high brow" porn companies, but it is certainly not true for the bulk of the porn that is produced in the US. Ask one of the doctors whose job it is to do this testing, not just for HIV, but for the whole range of STDs. I was told by one former porn star who has interviewed said doctors that somewhere around 65% of the porn stars he tests have Herpes. I have also heard Audrey Hollander admit, in an interview, that if you have been in that industry for any amount of time, then you have herpes, period. There is so much evil crap going on in this industry, but there is also a whole lot of denial among porn consumers who justify their habits by statements much like yours. http://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-stars-speak-out-stds-drugs-and-abuse http://www.shelleylubben.com/porn-stars-speak-out-stds-drugs... http://www.jupaman.com/2008/04/23/genital-herpes-and-pornographythe-hidden-side-of-porn/ http://www.jupaman.com/2008/04/23/genital-herpes-and-pornogr...

weeksie 17y ago
Check the CDC site for info on herpes. Something like one in 5 people have it, that means if you're even moderately sexually active you probably do as well. The vast majority of the population is asymptomatic which is why there's such a stigma over the virus. In reality it's not a big deal at all. Freaking out over herpes is as silly as freaking out over HPV which is so common it might as well be a genetic marker for losing your virginity.
- 83457 17y ago
  Not to mention that you can get herpes while using a condom.
- TriinT 17y ago
  Herpes may not kill like HIV does, but it likely makes one wish one were dead. You say it's fine to have herpes, when in reality it is not. At all. It affects your sexual life, hence it affects your personal life as well. A pregnant woman with an herpes outbreak is endangering her baby. There's a very good reason society's morals have evolved towards condemning promiscuity. The sex revolution only happened a few decades ago because of penicilin and antibiotics. Sure, many people carry the HSV without even knowing it, but that does not mean it's OK to have it. And, as you know, it is known that HPV causes cancer, so I don't think it's OK to carry it as well. In the end, the only truly safe sex is masturbation, but that's not a life option I recommend to anyone. When teenagers are educated on sex via porn movies, promoting safe sex is the responsible thing to do. If the no-condom movies went underground, then one could ban them. Or rate them as akin to child porn, and hence, illegal. In any case, if there are people willing to pay for no-condom porn, then the world is sicker than I imagined in my worst nightmares...
  - rms 17y ago
    >In any case, if there are people willing to pay for no-condom porn, then the world is sicker than I imagined in my worst nightmares... You wouldn't like to see the other things people are willing to pay for.
  - weeksie 17y ago
    I'm sorry but can you tell me how asymptomatic Herpes has a negative effect on one's life? Most people who have Herpes don't know it. Frankly the scare over Herpes and HPV has a lot more to do with shaming people who are sexually active. I don't think you realize exactly how common these "diseases" are. Roughly 50% of the population carries HPV, sure some strains are linked to cancer but it's quite insignificant compared to the number of people who actually carry the virus. As for Herpes, for it to cause a problem you must be symptomatic, which as I stated earlier the vast majority of the population is not. To use these relatively harmless viruses as a way to scare people away from sex is disingenuous and dishonest. Whether or not it is OK to be promiscuous in the modern world is a moral discussion, it is perfectly possible to be healthy and have a lot of partners.

aberman 17y ago

"only one outbreak in that community, which is far better than your average college campus" So the average college campus has much more than one outbreak of HIV? Somehow I doubt that...

Locke1689 17y ago
Since 1998? I'd say that's accurate...

hristov 17y ago

He said there was "only one major outbreak." I don't know what they consider major or minor, but that does not mean there have not been other minor outbreaks and I am scared to think how many people are going to die because of that "only one major outbreak." I think when you are talking about AIDS, "only one major outbreak" is a rather dubious safety record. I think that is better than any college campus. I have no been aware of any major AIDS outbreaks in college campuses in the last 10 years.