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Did you even read the article?
by omonra 11y ago
Did you even read the article?
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- drzaiusapelord 11y ago60/40 from 60% of eligible voters is far, far from a strong mandate. This is a very contentious issue within Greece as well. Its a majority win of course, but its certainly not 90/10 or even 80/20.
- afterburner 11y agoYou don't pay attention to many elections do you? 60/40 is a blowout for the popular vote, and 60% turnout is large. Also, 60 is 50% more than 40.
- drzaiusapelord 11y agoElections and referendums are very different things. Popular referendums often go way very high towards one side. 60/40 in that context just isn't impressive and there are many, many Greeks who see the current leadership as reckless and dangerous.
- afterburner 11y agoThe popular vote of an election is exactly the same metric as a referendum. They can be compared directly. There have been many extremely close but critical referendums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Maastricht_Treaty_referendum,_1992 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Maastricht_Treaty_refer... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Maastricht_Treaty_referendum,_1992 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Maastricht_Treaty_refer... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_European_Union_membership_referendum,_1994 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_European_Union_members... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_European_Union_membership_referendum,_1994 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_European_Union_membe... 60% is decisive, and a clear mandate.
- twobits 11y agoBut when Merkel wins in 2013 with 41.5% with a voting age population turnout of 66%, with 1.5% invalid, it's ok, eh? http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/merkel-wins-third-term-in-general-election-a-923755.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/merkel-wins-thir... http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?CountryCode=DE http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?CountryCode=DE
- drzaiusapelord 11y agoElections and referendums are very different things. Especially in European style parliamentary/coalition governments. A popular referendum leans HEAVILY on one side. 60/40 shows that this issue is very contentious in Greece as well as many Greeks are sick of the poor classes voting in "hand outs" Marxist politicians instead of reforming and fixing corruption, being fiscally responsible, and collecting taxes.
- omonra 11y agoI think you're talking about a topic different from what the article is about. Nobody is disputing the right of the Greek people to default. What's discussed is whether Greeks have a moral claim to demand debt repudiation. On a related topic - the journalist who wrote this article is usually someone I vehemently disagree with (he's like me a former USSRian living in the West but takes a more pro-Russia / anti-Ukraine position on that confict). So my take is that he's definitely not part of 'they' - sometimes people can just disagree.