I agree, but then I also add to that the roughly four major definitions of what that means today and the various misinterpretations therein and call it a wash.

I agree, but then I also add to that the roughly four major definitions of what that means today and the various misinterpretations therein and call it a wash. It's a series of cultures all bandied about within a larger cultural phenomenon and you can take or leave whatever pieces of it you like.