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According to Joel Spolsky, Ingres lost to Oracle due to slow growth: http://www.inc.com/magazine/20091101/does-slow-growth-equal-slow-death.html?partner=fogcree

According to Joel Spolsky, Ingres lost to Oracle due to slow growth: http://www.inc.com/magazine/20091101/does-slow-growth-equal-slow-death.html?partner=fogcreek http://www.inc.com/magazine/20091101/does-slow-growth-equal-... Discussion on a previous thread also suggests that Fogbugz suffered the same fate due to growing slower than Atlassian: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=920668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=920668

nchelluri 11y ago
This is an interesting article; thanks for the links. I last used FogBugz in 2008 and it's still my favorite bug tracker. I have used JIRA extensively and while you can configure it and add addons/plugins to it to make it do your bidding, it's just not a nice off-the-shelf solution without configuration (stuff that I usually don't have the access to do, and that I get tired of asking for). Funny how this stuff works. I wonder how Fogbugz is doing today. I do understand they must have done well with the Trello stuff.
jfoster 11y ago
My take-away from that was that Atlassian had a proposition that made companies customers before those companies could afford Fogbugz. ($10 for 10)
- snom320 11y ago
  Yep. That's my personal experience as well. Looked at FogBugz several times, but the pricing always put us off. Eventually Atlassian came around and made a good enough product.
jlarocco 11y ago
I don't know if I'd say Ingres is a failure. They weren't as big as Oracle, or even SQL Server, but they've lasted a really long time, their product is still around [1], and they even spawned Postgres. On a tangent, it's kinda funny how part of the "geek" community will complain about the big players dominating and ruining competition (Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, even Linux sometimes), but on the other hand anybody who doesn't completely dominate their competition is lambasted for being a failure... [1] http://www.actian.com/products/operational-databases/ingres/ http://www.actian.com/products/operational-databases/ingres/

nchelluri 11y ago

This is an interesting article; thanks for the links. I last used FogBugz in 2008 and it's still my favorite bug tracker. I have used JIRA extensively and while you can configure it and add addons/plugins to it to make it do your bidding, it's just not a nice off-the-shelf solution without configuration (stuff that I usually don't have the access to do, and that I get tired of asking for). Funny how this stuff works. I wonder how Fogbugz is doing today. I do understand they must have done well with the Trello stuff.

jfoster 11y ago

My take-away from that was that Atlassian had a proposition that made companies customers before those companies could afford Fogbugz. ($10 for 10)

snom320 11y ago
Yep. That's my personal experience as well. Looked at FogBugz several times, but the pricing always put us off. Eventually Atlassian came around and made a good enough product.

jlarocco 11y ago

I don't know if I'd say Ingres is a failure. They weren't as big as Oracle, or even SQL Server, but they've lasted a really long time, their product is still around [1], and they even spawned Postgres. On a tangent, it's kinda funny how part of the "geek" community will complain about the big players dominating and ruining competition (Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, even Linux sometimes), but on the other hand anybody who doesn't completely dominate their competition is lambasted for being a failure... [1] http://www.actian.com/products/operational-databases/ingres/ http://www.actian.com/products/operational-databases/ingres/