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Maybe this will be enough to silence the folks on here who insist that nothing is wrong with Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children comp

by zedpm 11y ago

Maybe this will be enough to silence the folks on here who insist that nothing is wrong with Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children complaining without cause. The mods in question are adults and professionals, and they've clearly and succinctly explained their grievances with Reddit management. This piece doesn't touch on some of the other issues that have angered users, particularly the matter of heavy-handed censorship that appears to be applied inconsistently. That too is a legitimate complaint, one that shouldn't be shouted down or conflated with shameful behavior on the part of relatively few individuals in the community.

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- Stefan-H 11y ago
  The censorship is not happening by the community, it is coming from the admins that are on the reddit payroll. There are some posts that are auto-deleted based off of keywords during some of the more turbulent times in reddit.
  - speeder 11y ago
    Also adding to what Stefan said, the admins have been deleting subreddits too, sometimes the wrong ones (for example they deleted an Whale Watching subreddit believing it was a fat people harassment subreddit...)
    - nightpool 11y ago
      Bullshyt. They deleted a Whale Watching subreddit because it got taken over by users from FPH looking for a new home. Some of the mods of that sub were FPH admins and were communicating to other users that it was a "backup sub" they could use when they got banned. As soon as the furor died down, the sub came back.
    - valarauca1 11y ago
      Deleting a sub that existed purely to dehumanize people is your primary example of censorship going to far?
  - amyjess 11y ago
    > There are some posts that are auto-deleted based off of keywords during some of the more turbulent times in reddit. You got a source for that?
    - kedean 11y ago
      I don't know of any time the admins have done it, but some subreddits have been known to do it: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-technology-banned-words/ http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-technology-banned-words/
      - amyjess 11y ago
        I was specifically asking about times the admins did it. And, for the record, I have no problems with the /r/technology mods implementing such a filter. I want to read about technology, not politics. I actually unsubscribed from /r/technology some time before the filter was put in place (it was one of the very few defaults I'd unsubbed from, actually) because I was sick of it being overrun by political content.
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  - knowaveragejoe 11y ago
    Do you have a source? My understanding is that the "censorship" is much more varied and inconsistent than that. It's hardly what I'd call true censorship either way, since people are freely and openly discussing the very "censorship" and the content being censored elsewhere on reddit.
amyjess 11y ago
No, the shutdown of /r/iama was necessary so the moderators could regroup and figure out how to do their scheduling and coördination from now on. The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power mods to treat their users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing their users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. And your claims of censorship are, quite frankly, disturbing. The subreddits shut down last month were all hate groups that were targeting individuals for harassment and posting their photographs without permission in order to attack them. I've personally seen my pictures posted by one of these groups twice, and the day before those subs got banned, there was a very upset mother asking what recourse she had because these hate groups were posting pictures of her underage child and refused to take them down (and I distinctly remember this because I was one of a handful of people who helped teach her how to message the admins).
- embik 11y ago
  > The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power mods to treat their users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing their users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. That's not how I observed the situation honestly. A lot of subreddit mods got flooded with "shut down"-requests and some decided against it, some followed the mass. It wasn't really a hostage-taking, the shutdown has / had widespread support among the user base.
  - slg 11y ago
    >The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power users to treat the majority of users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing the majority of users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. Does that fix the problems with the above sentences? Regardless of who was ultimately behind it, the shutdowns were a "I'm taking my ball and going home" move at the expense of the entire Reddit community.
    - zxcvcxz 11y ago
      So it's okay when reddit does it because they're a private corporation and can censor whatever they want, but when the mods of a subreddit censor themselves there's a problem? Hypocrisy and double standards.
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nilkn 11y ago
> Maybe this will be enough to silence the folks on here who insist that nothing is wrong with Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children complaining without cause. Why can't it be both? The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that it is.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  What evidence?
paulhauggis 11y ago
"Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children complaining without cause." Anyone that makes these sort of decisions based on absolutely no evidence besides that she was fired, is childish and should not be a moderator. "The mods in question are adults and professionals, and they've clearly and succinctly explained their grievances with Reddit management." They might be physically adults, but emotional intelligence for many of the mods seems to be lacking. "particularly the matter of heavy-handed censorship that appears to be applied inconsistently" The mods are just as bad when it comes to censorship...decisions based on pure emotion, political views, and personal grudges. Exactly what you don't want when it comes to someone moderating a community. Reddit is what the world was like in the middle ages and the reason we don't solve all of our issues with a lynch-mob. Many don't see it because they don't like the people that are being silenced, bullied, and marginalized.
- 001sky 11y ago
  They fired the relationship manager for the AMAs. The way the did that harmed/ruined some relationships. The 'how' is as important as the what in that case, so your comment seems bizarreley off base. This is a wholy different issue that the dust up a month ago. Thats why a petition for the CEO's resignation has 200,000 signatures. The incident 1 month ago promted onlt 10K or so, so this latest issue is a 20x increase in pissed off people.
  - paulhauggis 11y ago
    "The 'how' is as important as the what in that case, so your comment seems bizarreley off base." You forgot the 'why'. Why was she let go? Reddit, the company, was paying her salary and they have the right to let her go if they feel she isn't doing her job. You don't even know the whole story. You are defending the mods based on biased and one-sided information. "Thats why a petition for the CEO's resignation has 200,000 signatures" This can easily be manipulated online, so I don't even know if I can trust it.
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by zedpm 11y ago

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Stefan-H 11y ago
The censorship is not happening by the community, it is coming from the admins that are on the reddit payroll. There are some posts that are auto-deleted based off of keywords during some of the more turbulent times in reddit.
- speeder 11y ago
  Also adding to what Stefan said, the admins have been deleting subreddits too, sometimes the wrong ones (for example they deleted an Whale Watching subreddit believing it was a fat people harassment subreddit...)
  - nightpool 11y ago
    Bullshyt. They deleted a Whale Watching subreddit because it got taken over by users from FPH looking for a new home. Some of the mods of that sub were FPH admins and were communicating to other users that it was a "backup sub" they could use when they got banned. As soon as the furor died down, the sub came back.
  - valarauca1 11y ago
    Deleting a sub that existed purely to dehumanize people is your primary example of censorship going to far?
- amyjess 11y ago
  > There are some posts that are auto-deleted based off of keywords during some of the more turbulent times in reddit. You got a source for that?
  - kedean 11y ago
    I don't know of any time the admins have done it, but some subreddits have been known to do it: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-technology-banned-words/ http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-technology-banned-words/
    - amyjess 11y ago
      I was specifically asking about times the admins did it. And, for the record, I have no problems with the /r/technology mods implementing such a filter. I want to read about technology, not politics. I actually unsubscribed from /r/technology some time before the filter was put in place (it was one of the very few defaults I'd unsubbed from, actually) because I was sick of it being overrun by political content.
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- knowaveragejoe 11y ago
  Do you have a source? My understanding is that the "censorship" is much more varied and inconsistent than that. It's hardly what I'd call true censorship either way, since people are freely and openly discussing the very "censorship" and the content being censored elsewhere on reddit.

amyjess 11y ago

No, the shutdown of /r/iama was necessary so the moderators could regroup and figure out how to do their scheduling and coördination from now on. The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power mods to treat their users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing their users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. And your claims of censorship are, quite frankly, disturbing. The subreddits shut down last month were all hate groups that were targeting individuals for harassment and posting their photographs without permission in order to attack them. I've personally seen my pictures posted by one of these groups twice, and the day before those subs got banned, there was a very upset mother asking what recourse she had because these hate groups were posting pictures of her underage child and refused to take them down (and I distinctly remember this because I was one of a handful of people who helped teach her how to message the admins).

embik 11y ago
> The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power mods to treat their users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing their users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. That's not how I observed the situation honestly. A lot of subreddit mods got flooded with "shut down"-requests and some decided against it, some followed the mass. It wasn't really a hostage-taking, the shutdown has / had widespread support among the user base.
- slg 11y ago
  >The shutdowns of the other subreddits were petulant moves by power users to treat the majority of users as pawns and hockey pucks. They were punishing the majority of users because they were in a power struggle with the admins. That's wrong. Does that fix the problems with the above sentences? Regardless of who was ultimately behind it, the shutdowns were a "I'm taking my ball and going home" move at the expense of the entire Reddit community.
  - zxcvcxz 11y ago
    So it's okay when reddit does it because they're a private corporation and can censor whatever they want, but when the mods of a subreddit censor themselves there's a problem? Hypocrisy and double standards.

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nilkn 11y ago

> Maybe this will be enough to silence the folks on here who insist that nothing is wrong with Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children complaining without cause. Why can't it be both? The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that it is.

Karunamon 11y ago
What evidence?

paulhauggis 11y ago

"Reddit management and that it's just a bunch of angry children complaining without cause." Anyone that makes these sort of decisions based on absolutely no evidence besides that she was fired, is childish and should not be a moderator. "The mods in question are adults and professionals, and they've clearly and succinctly explained their grievances with Reddit management." They might be physically adults, but emotional intelligence for many of the mods seems to be lacking. "particularly the matter of heavy-handed censorship that appears to be applied inconsistently" The mods are just as bad when it comes to censorship...decisions based on pure emotion, political views, and personal grudges. Exactly what you don't want when it comes to someone moderating a community. Reddit is what the world was like in the middle ages and the reason we don't solve all of our issues with a lynch-mob. Many don't see it because they don't like the people that are being silenced, bullied, and marginalized.

001sky 11y ago
They fired the relationship manager for the AMAs. The way the did that harmed/ruined some relationships. The 'how' is as important as the what in that case, so your comment seems bizarreley off base. This is a wholy different issue that the dust up a month ago. Thats why a petition for the CEO's resignation has 200,000 signatures. The incident 1 month ago promted onlt 10K or so, so this latest issue is a 20x increase in pissed off people.
- paulhauggis 11y ago
  "The 'how' is as important as the what in that case, so your comment seems bizarreley off base." You forgot the 'why'. Why was she let go? Reddit, the company, was paying her salary and they have the right to let her go if they feel she isn't doing her job. You don't even know the whole story. You are defending the mods based on biased and one-sided information. "Thats why a petition for the CEO's resignation has 200,000 signatures" This can easily be manipulated online, so I don't even know if I can trust it.
  - npizzolato 11y ago