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What debugging ought to feel like (video)

goof 17y ago
I had a brief fling with Common Lisp a few years ago and I definitely miss Slime. I wish other language implementations would provide a networked repl and tight emacs integration. Neither of the Schemes I use (plt, gambit) work with Slime and Clojure's Slime integration had some annoying issues when I last checked about 6 months ago.
- nearestneighbor 17y ago
  People might tell you that it works "great" (I've heard this numerous times), but it turns out they mean it in a very limited sense: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aa9zf/why_i_chose_common_lisp_over_python_ruby_and/c0gmdw7 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aa9zf/why_i_cho...
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Yeah, I always suspected this. I never found any langauge other than Common Lisp to be very good with Slime. CL itself, however, tends to be excellent. I am writing a similar integration layer for Perl, but decided not to reuse the Swank protocol. The Emacs side is just not quite flexible enough.
  - lg 17y ago
    yeah, M-. is broken, but at least C-M-x works. And ok, forget about calls-who, but that's pretty broken for me in CL anyway.
- thomas11 17y ago
  Scheme people often use Quack. It has excellent support for looking up documentation, as well as the usual stuff like interacting with the Scheme interpreter. http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/ http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/
herdrick 17y ago
Please note that this is from 2004 and the configuration stuff is way out of date. You should probably just start at 7:30.
- deleted 17y ago
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jodrellblank 17y ago
It looks like it could be a video from Xerox PARC in 1968. Well integrated and useful and current and old and clunky - what steampunk would look like if it was software. (Why didn't he ' '.join(map(char-to-morse, string))? He had to download a string split library?) (DEFUN COINCIDENCE-THAT-CL-STANDS-FOR-BOTH-COMMON-LISP-AND-CAPS-LOCKP (...))
tedunangst 17y ago
If I have to tunnel my debug traffic over ssh, wouldn't it be easier to just ssh to the machine and run a local debugger? [Sorry, only skimmed through video, but that wasn't explained in at least the first 10 minutes.]
- nearestneighbor 17y ago
  Having the editor working locally might be a more responsive and "native" setup. I think this was intended more as a demo of possibilities though more than anything.
- mahmud 17y ago
  Slime allows you to code live on one machine while using another completely. Like Mac OS X controls better? fine, use a native Emacs and just tunnel to a remote Lisp session on NetBSD or Win32 :-)
tsally 17y ago
In case you'd like to play it offline: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/223699/slime.flv.zip http://dl.dropbox.com/u/223699/slime.flv.zip
- munchhausen 17y ago
  You can also get it here: http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov
asciilifeform 17y ago
No, this: http://tinyurl.com/ylfqp37 http://tinyurl.com/ylfqp37 is what debugging ought to feel like. SLIME is a cheap imitation.

goof 17y ago

I had a brief fling with Common Lisp a few years ago and I definitely miss Slime. I wish other language implementations would provide a networked repl and tight emacs integration. Neither of the Schemes I use (plt, gambit) work with Slime and Clojure's Slime integration had some annoying issues when I last checked about 6 months ago.

nearestneighbor 17y ago
People might tell you that it works "great" (I've heard this numerous times), but it turns out they mean it in a very limited sense: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aa9zf/why_i_chose_common_lisp_over_python_ruby_and/c0gmdw7 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aa9zf/why_i_cho...
- jrockway 17y ago
  Yeah, I always suspected this. I never found any langauge other than Common Lisp to be very good with Slime. CL itself, however, tends to be excellent. I am writing a similar integration layer for Perl, but decided not to reuse the Swank protocol. The Emacs side is just not quite flexible enough.
- lg 17y ago
  yeah, M-. is broken, but at least C-M-x works. And ok, forget about calls-who, but that's pretty broken for me in CL anyway.
thomas11 17y ago
Scheme people often use Quack. It has excellent support for looking up documentation, as well as the usual stuff like interacting with the Scheme interpreter. http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/ http://www.neilvandyke.org/quack/

herdrick 17y ago

Please note that this is from 2004 and the configuration stuff is way out of date. You should probably just start at 7:30.

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jodrellblank 17y ago

It looks like it could be a video from Xerox PARC in 1968. Well integrated and useful and current and old and clunky - what steampunk would look like if it was software. (Why didn't he ' '.join(map(char-to-morse, string))? He had to download a string split library?) (DEFUN COINCIDENCE-THAT-CL-STANDS-FOR-BOTH-COMMON-LISP-AND-CAPS-LOCKP (...))

tedunangst 17y ago

If I have to tunnel my debug traffic over ssh, wouldn't it be easier to just ssh to the machine and run a local debugger? [Sorry, only skimmed through video, but that wasn't explained in at least the first 10 minutes.]

nearestneighbor 17y ago
Having the editor working locally might be a more responsive and "native" setup. I think this was intended more as a demo of possibilities though more than anything.
mahmud 17y ago
Slime allows you to code live on one machine while using another completely. Like Mac OS X controls better? fine, use a native Emacs and just tunnel to a remote Lisp session on NetBSD or Win32 :-)

tsally 17y ago

In case you'd like to play it offline: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/223699/slime.flv.zip http://dl.dropbox.com/u/223699/slime.flv.zip

munchhausen 17y ago
You can also get it here: http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov

asciilifeform 17y ago

No, this: http://tinyurl.com/ylfqp37 http://tinyurl.com/ylfqp37 is what debugging ought to feel like. SLIME is a cheap imitation.