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Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
- sprash 11y agoEmbrace, extend, extinguish.
- adamc 11y agoYou forgot the "eXpand". Almost sounds like the 4x definition...
- adamc 11y agoHumor is now punished?
- sudioStudio64 11y agoThere needs to be a prize that goes to whoever uses this phrase first in a MS post. You, sir, are a winner.
- medecau 11y agoLike those old "first" comments on forum threads.
- kej 11y agoThe prize is "+5 Insightful", and it's redeemable a decade ago on /.
- sudioStudio64 11y agoZing!
- sudioStudio64 11y agoMan, the downvotes is hard in here. In case everyone couldn't tell I think that the incessant posting of "embrace, extend, extinguish" are really childish so I replied childishly. Do we need a sarcasm tag? EDIT: One day I will too be able to down-vote and then woe to you all. woe to you all. OH WHAT DOWN VOTES I WILL BRING!!! EDIT EDIT: That's great advice friendly friend but I don't have enough karma to down-vote. Way to rub it in though...
- dragonwriter 11y ago> In case everyone couldn't tell I think that the incessant posting of "embrace, extend, extinguish" are really childish so I replied childishly. Do we need a sarcasm tag? If you think a post is childish, downvote it and move on. If you respond in kind, expect to be downvoted. It doesn't make sense to decrease the signal-to-noise ratio in response to a post whose main problem is that it is decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio.
- sudioStudio64 11y agoI don't have enough karma to downvote comments...but thanks for rubbing it in though. That's a beautiful tall horse your on by the way. This particular comment got flagged, which is great. That being said, I can't count the number of times I've had someone reply to me with "Switch to Linux"...and I can't downvote that. Signal to noise? The rules are unevenly applied. For instance, a couple of weeks ago one of those "Isn't RMS Awesome!" posts came up. I expressed a sentiment that was counter to the glowing praise people where heaping on the guy's article. I wasn't rude, but I do disagree with the guys positions on somethings and expressed that. It started being downvoted immediately...I was close to 200 at that point so I actually wrote a BS set of pablum replies and they were upvoted so I regained the karma. Its frustrating.
- PhantomGremlin 11y agoI can't count the number of times I've had someone reply to me with "Switch to Linux"...and I can't downvote that. FWIW I don't think people are allowed to downvote replies to their posts. At least I can't, maybe I could after getting even more karma?
- skymt 11y agoIt would be really cool if people would refrain from citing this until "extend" is reached. Because right now all Microsoft is doing is financially supporting some good developers who are doing good work.
- sliverstorm 11y agoThat sure sounds evil to me! ;)
- JupiterMoon 11y agoThe trouble is that by the time they are at "extend" it is too late...
- sudioStudio64 11y agoThe post did get flagged, which is a nice change. I personally get seriously tired of constant slashdot-isms that are used in posts regarding MS.
- gagege 11y agoThis phrase is quickly becoming the new "Micro$oft".
- mhurron 11y agoObligatory Penny Arcade http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22
- WorldWideWayne 11y agoYou: "I'm generally a pretty negative person for a reason. Negative feedback is necessary for anything to actually get better." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318260 So, what are you actually making better here?
- stinos 11y agowhat are you actually making better here? HN! Look at it this way: if everyone who likes to use phrases like that, even when not really suitable, sees they get downvoted into oblivion maybe they'll start to realize there's a reason for it. And next time they'll want to post they'll hesitate, start reasoning, and don't post any nonsense. Sounds good to me. And a bit far fetched maybe :P
- sprash 11y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish "Embrace, extend and extinguish" was a widely employed anticompetitive strategy used by Microsoft for a long time as some court documents show. Not just some conspiracy theory. What makes you think Microsoft is trustworthy today? Just because they have a new CEO? Everything they "embraced" in the past turned into shit fast (The last victim was Nokia). What am I making better here? I'm reminding everybody that a company whose whole success is rooted in exploiting a monopoly should not be trusted.
- tedunangst 11y agoWho exactly is it that you think is trusting Microsoft?
- krylon 11y agoI kind of agree with you. While I think Microsoft has been moving in a good direction since Nadella took over (I am sorry if I misspelled his name), it is worth keeping in mind the nasty - and at times downright criminal - business practices Microsoft used to get where it is today. Just to be clear, I am hopeful that Microsoft's leadership has come to understand that in world with more iPhones and Android devices than PCs, their old tactics won't work any longer. But they still have a long way to go before I trust them.
- sudioStudio64 11y agoYay! OpenBSD does great work, I'm glad they are getting serious support now. Hopefully other large vendors do the same thing...I'm looking at you Intel, HP...
- liviu- 11y agoBoth Intel and HP have donated to OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html
- sudioStudio64 11y agoI stand corrected. Cheers.
- TruthSHIFT 11y agoHow much does one need to contribute to be Gold?
- brynet 11y ago> http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html Iridium: $100,000 to $250,000 Platinum: $50,000 to $100,000 Gold: $25,000 to $50,000 Silver: $10,000 to $25,000 Bronze: $5,000 to $10,000
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- bcg1 11y agoOT, but incidentally, gold is more valuable than platinum at the moment: http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html http://www.kitco.com/charts/liveplatinum.html http://www.kitco.com/charts/liveplatinum.html
- SoMuchToGrok 11y agoFYI - Gold contributor means the donation was somewhere in the range of $25,000 to $50,000.
- caiob 11y agoShame, that's pocket change for a company like Microsoft. Happy to see they're contributing nonetheless.
- Fuxy 11y agoSomeone must have had some funds left over in the advertizing budget. Regardless it's a very smart move and much appreciated. Thank you Microsoft!
- jmsdnns 11y agowindows supporting openssh is most likely the reason
- mulander 11y agoI'm pretty sure they got a donation closer to the lower $25,000 bound. I check the fund raisin page quite often and up to this morning it showed a total of $100,000 raised. It's now at $125,000. Still great regardless of the amount. I'm happy that the money was donated to the project.
- pki 11y agohttps://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.openbsdfoundation.org%2Fcampaign2015.html https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp... 100k -> 125k, yep
- jabits 11y agoWhat's the point of trying to say "Good job" if you're just going to minimize the gesture in the same paragraph? This adds nothing but a negative spin...
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- s_dev 11y agoTheo de Raadt always complained that such companies never gave back. HNers were always quick to suggest he change his open source licence. Hopefully this means him and his crew can do a better job than they are already doing without them feeling they compromised on their values.
- zxcvcxz 11y agoWhat's in it for microsoft though? What is their end-goal? If they support opensource I'd rather they port some major programs to other platforms to make those platforms more viable.
- Scarbutt 11y agoIf I heard correct, Microsoft wants to add openssh support to Windows 10, server and client.
- mhurron 11y agohttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/06/03/lookin... That is correct, adding a OpenSSH server and a client with Powershell was announced last month. It's good to see Microsoft also contributing to the project, so many users of OpenSSH do not.
- ams6110 11y agoThis has been possible with Cygwin for many years.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoThe difference is that I can't install Cygwin on every workstation I sit down on. I can usually use Powershell though.
- nailer 11y agoYes but you don't get Powershell. If you're even remotely into actual scripting on Unix you'll love Powershell's consistency and separation of data/presentation.
- stonogo 11y agoI spent fifteen years scripting on Unix for a living. I consider powershell to be garbage. Lack of 'separation of data/presentation' is what made unix ubiquitous. It's also what made HTML ubiquitous. I think it's great that powershell is getting full, native ssh support -- because then I can manage windows computers in a non-ridiculous way, regardless of what PL wankery Microsoft shoved into the syntax.
- Systemic33 11y agoWorth noting that Facebook and Google are both silver contributors. === http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html === For 2015 The OpenBSD Foundation will recognize donors in the following categories based on contribution amount. On request we will provide a link to your website for donations of $5000 or more, and display your logo for donations of $10,000 or more. Iridium: $100,000 to $250,000 Platinum: $50,000 to $100,000 Gold: $25,000 to $50,000 Microsoft Corporation Silver: $10,000 to $25,000 Facebook Inc. Google Inc. Bronze: $5,000 to $10,000 2Keys Security Solutions Mandrill genua mbh =============================================
- liviu- 11y agoAlso, Google has been donating every year since (at least) 2012, when OpenBSD started to make the donors list public.
- brynet 11y agoDonations to the project have also been public for many years: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html
- philip1209 11y agoOut of curiosity, do they appear as donors so often due to corporate initiatives or employee gift matching?
- peatmoss 11y ago25-50k is generous, but won't float the project. I'll take this as a reminder to send some meager grad-student dollars their way.
- mjcohen 11y agoHow much for these levels: Vibranium Adamantium Unobtanium
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- grdvnl 11y agoAll the comments in the thread are focussing on comparing Microsoft's contribution to Facebook or Google for one project and giving credit to Microsoft. But, it is important to remember that Google and Facebook contribute to OSS in different forms. For example, Google spends regularly on Google Summer of Code. There may be other example for Facebook as well. I am not a fan/employee of any of these companies. I am just putting the contribution into a different perspective.
- deegles 11y agoCoreCLR alone is ~2.6 million lines of code, with several million lines of code to go [1]. I would wager that by raw LOC, Microsoft will open source more code in 2014-2015 than Google and Facebook combined. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-open-source.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is...
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoProbably has something to do with their OpenSSH adoption, indeed. Theo de Raadt actually praised Windows in a ruBSD 2013 interview, saying their exploit mitigations were second to OpenBSD.
- pekk 11y agoAnother way to read that is as more of a slam of his major competitor.
- thaumaturgy 11y agoOnly if you try hard.
- nickpsecurity 11y agoThanks to Lipner's SDL & executive support, Microsoft has done one of the largest 180's in the industry's history. Backward compatibility and time-to-market will continue to create problems. Yet, comparing security (even architecture) of Windows 7 with Windows 95 is almost like looking at two different companies' products. So, I give them due credit for good effort they put in. Many other companies have yet to match that effort. It's why their stuff is the new, big target. ;)
- alexnewman 11y agoCanadian tax structure does not consider "software projects" eligible for charitable contribution, so the donations are not generally tax deductible. This is why i'm not sending a check right now
- jordanlev 11y agoIf the extra cost of the taxes is what's keeping you from donating, perhaps you can send in a reduced amount instead then? Foe example, if you wanted to donate $100 and your overall tax rate is 40% (resulting in an overall reduction of $40 from your taxable income), you could instead donate $60 and save the other $40 for your pending tax bill. (Just an example... I'm not an accountant and I live in the US so I don't know if things are different in Canada, etc etc)
- sliverstorm 11y ago... Which makes me wonder why the OpenBSD hasn't filed for 501(c)(3). I'm sure it comes with strings, but given the donation revenue they've generated, tax-deductible status could be a big lever in pure dollar terms...
- nickpsecurity 11y agoThey say on the foundation website that, in Canada, the overhead of doing that is too high to justify it. They're hardly getting in donations so any amount of overhead can detract significantly to the project. If it's serious overhead, that's a serious loss. So, they're just not doing it until they get enough donations to justify it.
- AaronFriel 11y agoThis is unfortunately backwards. Many large corporations will only donate and provide matching donations to registered non-profits. Applying for 501(c)(3), and whatever the Canadian equivalent is, would be the gateway to much larger donations. Yes, there's overhead and headache, but the benefit is that being a registered non-profit is one of the requirements for corporate donations. The reason the project gets so few donations may well be that many businesses and individuals have to weigh donating to OpenBSD (not tax deductible, not registered as a non-profit) versus literally any other cause that is tax deductible. Simply put, a dollar to OpenBSD doesn't go as far as a dollar to say, the Linux Foundation (a 501(c)(6)).
- raindev 11y agoIt's a shame that three top contributions by multibillion companies combined hardly cover a decent yearly salary for a single developer.
- nickpsecurity 11y agoGood they're contributing something back. They should sponsor more developers to work on infrastructure they could integrate into their offerings. Even from their evil perspective, they'd still be able to use their EEE strategy for people foolish enough to buy their non-standard version. They'd benefit from increased innovation and reduced costs as projects get bigger. We'd benefit with components that had financial support to keep improving and maybe get more security review than certain FOSS projects that have never heard of that. So, it's in their interest to expand their role in open source software whether they intend to play nice or evil. They'll benefit and we'll possibly benefit either way. At the least, quality and innovation should both go up. Microsoft could always use more of those. ;)
- epety 11y agoMicrosoft windows dying, this is new business of microsoft ? http://blog.sudoask.com/great-dictator-on-software-dying-and-unix-like-systems-is-the-will-back-again/ http://blog.sudoask.com/great-dictator-on-software-dying-and...