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Just tried it here, I normally use Mail.app. First impressions were "oh, this isn't so bad," but then I started using it. It feels very janky, the interface is

by vito 17y ago

Just tried it here, I normally use Mail.app. First impressions were "oh, this isn't so bad," but then I started using it. It feels very janky, the interface is a bit disfunctional (going to File > New Folder gave absolutely no visual feedback as to where it put it, and if you have the filters window open and make a new folder you have to close and reopen the filters window for it to notice the new folder). The one thing I saw that I liked was the "Reply to Mailing list" button, but that just didn't work, at all. The To: recipient was the person who wrote the email, not the list. Also, I couldn't figure out how to open a new tab. E for Effort I suppose, but it's seeming less and less relevant, and if major releases are this buggy I can see why.

sounddust 17y ago
I downloaded it and tried it, and unfortunately it has the same two problems that I hate about version 2: 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." This means that you either have to set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address you use, or you have to reveal your "main" identity to anyone who sends you an e-mail (and possibly confuse them in the process). 2) If you get new mail and read it on your iPhone or any other computer while thunderbird is open, then the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear. On the plus side, the search is excellent.
- julianz 17y ago
  > There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." Huh? I've used Thunderbird 2 (on Windows) forever and I rely on this feature all the time, with multiple IMAP accounts and multiple email addresses for each of the accounts. It just works perfectly.
  - phildawes 17y ago
    I suspect you might be mistaken. Do you just mean you've configured multiple email addresses into thunderbird and get to pick which one to use, or have you really found out how to do "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." in thunderbird? (I use a different email address for each webapp I sign up to but obviously don't want to have to add each one to thunderbird, so this feature would be awesome)
  - sounddust 17y ago
    It only works if you set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address that you use. If you use e-mail the way that phildawes and I do - that is, using a catch-all for your domain and giving a different e-mail address to each organization - then you would have to set up an "identity" for every e-mail address you've ever used in your life. For me, that number is in the hundreds and I don't have a list of all the ones I've used. If I'm wrong, however, then please give more details on where to find this feature!
- arantius 17y ago
  > 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." .. Used and loved this extension to solve that for some time: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 > 2) ... the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear. Rarely seen similar behavior in TB2 (no upgrade yet). Goes away when I hit 'get mail'. (Forcing it to check the server, and notice the mail is read. I do IMAP exclusively.)
  - sounddust 17y ago
    Re #1: Thanks very much for the link! Re #2: Mine never goes away once the bug occurs, no matter what I do or click. If I have TB open for a month, the mail icon will be there for a month, even after deleting and recreating my account! This bug occurs with every computer I own. Also, the "Inbox" stays in bold (as if there were new messages) permanently until restart. It's been that way for years, and doesn't seem it will ever be fixed.
jseliger 17y ago
"E for Effort I suppose, but it's seeming less and less relevant, and if major releases are this buggy I can see why." This is my feeling too: I used a version (1.x? 2?) on OS X for a little while after switching, then started using Mail.app, which has its quirks and problems -- it used to slow when mailboxes got stuffed with thousands of messages -- but shows a level of polish Thunderbird doesn't.
teilo 17y ago
We use Zimbra Community Edition at my company. I like Mail, but I switched from Mail to Thunderbird a while back because, quite frankly, Mail's IMAP support stinks. It is just not very robust. Moderately sized mailboxes lose sync with the server, causing duplicate messages and related issues. Second problem: iCal sucks for corporate scheduling. Setting up attendees, and viewing free-busy time is ridiculously complicated. Anyone who has used Outlook/Entourage laughs at iCal. Lightning/Sunbird, however, is wonderful. Fully supports CalDAV and the Free/Busy extensions. I manage about two dozen Macs here and have had this issue repeatedly against a Zimbra backend. I have a few users on Thunderbird 3.0 betas, and those problems just disappeared. Once Lightning 1.0 comes out, I will be forcing everyone to switch to Thunderbird/Lightning on both Mac and Windows. The Zindus extension for Thunderbird syncs Gmail Contacts and the Zimbra Global Address List to Thunderbird. Lacking this, LDAP search works great against Zimbra. The resulting solution: Zimbra / Thunderbird / Lightning / Zindus is, as far as I'm concerned, an Outlook/Exchange killer for small to medium sized companies.

by vito 17y ago

sounddust 17y ago

I downloaded it and tried it, and unfortunately it has the same two problems that I hate about version 2: 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." This means that you either have to set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address you use, or you have to reveal your "main" identity to anyone who sends you an e-mail (and possibly confuse them in the process). 2) If you get new mail and read it on your iPhone or any other computer while thunderbird is open, then the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear. On the plus side, the search is excellent.

julianz 17y ago
> There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." Huh? I've used Thunderbird 2 (on Windows) forever and I rely on this feature all the time, with multiple IMAP accounts and multiple email addresses for each of the accounts. It just works perfectly.
- phildawes 17y ago
  I suspect you might be mistaken. Do you just mean you've configured multiple email addresses into thunderbird and get to pick which one to use, or have you really found out how to do "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." in thunderbird? (I use a different email address for each webapp I sign up to but obviously don't want to have to add each one to thunderbird, so this feature would be awesome)
- sounddust 17y ago
  It only works if you set up an "identity" for every possible e-mail address that you use. If you use e-mail the way that phildawes and I do - that is, using a catch-all for your domain and giving a different e-mail address to each organization - then you would have to set up an "identity" for every e-mail address you've ever used in your life. For me, that number is in the hundreds and I don't have a list of all the ones I've used. If I'm wrong, however, then please give more details on where to find this feature!
arantius 17y ago
> 1) There is no option to say "reply using the same 'from' address that the mail was sent to." .. Used and loved this extension to solve that for some time: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 > 2) ... the status icon/indicator will get permanently stuck in "new mail" mode and you have to restart the app to get it to disappear. Rarely seen similar behavior in TB2 (no upgrade yet). Goes away when I hit 'get mail'. (Forcing it to check the server, and notice the mail is read. I do IMAP exclusively.)
- sounddust 17y ago
  Re #1: Thanks very much for the link! Re #2: Mine never goes away once the bug occurs, no matter what I do or click. If I have TB open for a month, the mail icon will be there for a month, even after deleting and recreating my account! This bug occurs with every computer I own. Also, the "Inbox" stays in bold (as if there were new messages) permanently until restart. It's been that way for years, and doesn't seem it will ever be fixed.

jseliger 17y ago

"E for Effort I suppose, but it's seeming less and less relevant, and if major releases are this buggy I can see why." This is my feeling too: I used a version (1.x? 2?) on OS X for a little while after switching, then started using Mail.app, which has its quirks and problems -- it used to slow when mailboxes got stuffed with thousands of messages -- but shows a level of polish Thunderbird doesn't.

teilo 17y ago

We use Zimbra Community Edition at my company. I like Mail, but I switched from Mail to Thunderbird a while back because, quite frankly, Mail's IMAP support stinks. It is just not very robust. Moderately sized mailboxes lose sync with the server, causing duplicate messages and related issues. Second problem: iCal sucks for corporate scheduling. Setting up attendees, and viewing free-busy time is ridiculously complicated. Anyone who has used Outlook/Entourage laughs at iCal. Lightning/Sunbird, however, is wonderful. Fully supports CalDAV and the Free/Busy extensions. I manage about two dozen Macs here and have had this issue repeatedly against a Zimbra backend. I have a few users on Thunderbird 3.0 betas, and those problems just disappeared. Once Lightning 1.0 comes out, I will be forcing everyone to switch to Thunderbird/Lightning on both Mac and Windows. The Zindus extension for Thunderbird syncs Gmail Contacts and the Zimbra Global Address List to Thunderbird. Lacking this, LDAP search works great against Zimbra. The resulting solution: Zimbra / Thunderbird / Lightning / Zindus is, as far as I'm concerned, an Outlook/Exchange killer for small to medium sized companies.