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Don't you think you're being a bit premature in your assessment of Pao? She's an interim CEO who's been on the job mere months. Shutting down the subreddits she

Don't you think you're being a bit premature in your assessment of Pao? She's an interim CEO who's been on the job mere months. Shutting down the subreddits she did needed to happen in order for reddit to be viable long-term. This latest issue is just about disaffected male teenagers looking for a reason to get mad at the new female CEO. It's so transparent and so pathetic.

oldmanjay 11y ago
I'm curious about something - do you feel like the obvious bigotry in your statement is justified? It's almost entirely unlikely that you have any real demographic information about the people you are slagging, never mind any actual knowledge of people's reasoning, so from my POV, your statement is borne of pure prejudice. Care to convince me otherwise?
- psychometry 11y ago
  You have no idea what bigotry is. It's possible to criticize the actions of a group of people without being prejudiced and my assessment is based on actual posts and comments that I've read over the past week. Seeing what kinds of content is upvoted gives you a sense of the overall sentiment and it's hard to rationalize the vitriol of the user base in response to this particular event. Also, reddit's age and gender demographics are not hard to find: http://thepowertoprovoke.com/the-blog/2014/02/reddit-demographics-and-user-surveys.html http://thepowertoprovoke.com/the-blog/2014/02/reddit-demogra...
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Interesting opening sentence in your reply. I didn't bother reading past it since starting with an insult like that is as good an excuse to ignore your thoughts as I need. Thanks for making it easy!
    - dang 11y ago
      Please, both of you and everyone else, follow the HN guidelines when commenting on this site. That means replying civilly and substantively, or not at all. This is the rule here, irrespective of how wrong or provocative another user may be. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mucker 11y ago
    I actually think he has a much firmer idea of what bigotry is than you do. I'm actually astounded that you would flaunt your ignorance of the word.
vonklaus 11y ago
> This latest issue is just about disaffected male teenagers looking for a reason to get mad at the new female CEO > It's so transparent and so pathetic. I just don't find it obvious that it is because she is a woman. I also didn't realize it was only socially mal-adjusted male teenagers who are calling for her ouster. 200K people signed the petition to find a new CEO. Why do you think this is just angsty women hating teenagers?
- evan_ 11y ago
  You mean this petition: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red... Which doesn't list any actual specific grievances, but does mention the completely irrelevant gender discrimination lawsuit she was involved with? The one that supporters are signing with openly misogynistic and racist slogans and nicknames? The one that's full of duplicate signatures and obviously fake names? That's the petition you're talking about?
  - psychometry 11y ago
    Let's not forget the genius of not wanting someone who will "sue her way to the top". To the top of what...reddit? She's already the CEO. Whoever wrote that pretty much explicitly dislikes her for the gender discrimination lawsuit and has little to say about her job performance. Really, it's right out of the men's rights playbook: Pretend everyone always gets by on merit alone and anyone disputing that fantasy must be trying to cheat their way through life.
    - vonklaus 11y ago
      Why do you think this is some sexist conspiracy? She lost the lawsuit against KPCB, she tried to blackmail them by threatening appeal and it does speak to her job performance. She was dismissed because she didn't have: “the ability to lead others, build consensus and be a team player.”[0] Many people seem to cling to the trope that women are being oppressed and intentionally singled out. This isn't one of those cases. Why do you think it is? [0]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/magazine/whats-really-at-stake-in-ellen-paos-kleiner-perkins-lawsuit.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/magazine/whats-really-at-s...

oldmanjay 11y ago

I'm curious about something - do you feel like the obvious bigotry in your statement is justified? It's almost entirely unlikely that you have any real demographic information about the people you are slagging, never mind any actual knowledge of people's reasoning, so from my POV, your statement is borne of pure prejudice. Care to convince me otherwise?

psychometry 11y ago
You have no idea what bigotry is. It's possible to criticize the actions of a group of people without being prejudiced and my assessment is based on actual posts and comments that I've read over the past week. Seeing what kinds of content is upvoted gives you a sense of the overall sentiment and it's hard to rationalize the vitriol of the user base in response to this particular event. Also, reddit's age and gender demographics are not hard to find: http://thepowertoprovoke.com/the-blog/2014/02/reddit-demographics-and-user-surveys.html http://thepowertoprovoke.com/the-blog/2014/02/reddit-demogra...
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Interesting opening sentence in your reply. I didn't bother reading past it since starting with an insult like that is as good an excuse to ignore your thoughts as I need. Thanks for making it easy!
  - dang 11y ago
    Please, both of you and everyone else, follow the HN guidelines when commenting on this site. That means replying civilly and substantively, or not at all. This is the rule here, irrespective of how wrong or provocative another user may be. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mucker 11y ago
  I actually think he has a much firmer idea of what bigotry is than you do. I'm actually astounded that you would flaunt your ignorance of the word.

vonklaus 11y ago

> This latest issue is just about disaffected male teenagers looking for a reason to get mad at the new female CEO > It's so transparent and so pathetic. I just don't find it obvious that it is because she is a woman. I also didn't realize it was only socially mal-adjusted male teenagers who are calling for her ouster. 200K people signed the petition to find a new CEO. Why do you think this is just angsty women hating teenagers?

evan_ 11y ago
You mean this petition: https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-red... Which doesn't list any actual specific grievances, but does mention the completely irrelevant gender discrimination lawsuit she was involved with? The one that supporters are signing with openly misogynistic and racist slogans and nicknames? The one that's full of duplicate signatures and obviously fake names? That's the petition you're talking about?
- psychometry 11y ago
  Let's not forget the genius of not wanting someone who will "sue her way to the top". To the top of what...reddit? She's already the CEO. Whoever wrote that pretty much explicitly dislikes her for the gender discrimination lawsuit and has little to say about her job performance. Really, it's right out of the men's rights playbook: Pretend everyone always gets by on merit alone and anyone disputing that fantasy must be trying to cheat their way through life.
  - vonklaus 11y ago
    Why do you think this is some sexist conspiracy? She lost the lawsuit against KPCB, she tried to blackmail them by threatening appeal and it does speak to her job performance. She was dismissed because she didn't have: “the ability to lead others, build consensus and be a team player.”[0] Many people seem to cling to the trope that women are being oppressed and intentionally singled out. This isn't one of those cases. Why do you think it is? [0]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/magazine/whats-really-at-stake-in-ellen-paos-kleiner-perkins-lawsuit.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/magazine/whats-really-at-s...