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Qihoo 360 and Go
- jsno2 11y agoIt's a shame that technical people care political more than technologies. This is a good tech post, why bother criticizing something that you heard from biased western media. They always try to disgrace Chinese companies and Chinese people.
- codezero 11y agoThis is slightly off topic, but when my dad couldn't install his printer, he called a random tech company online.... They basically requested full access to his computer, for about $99, and set up his printer, but they also installed a bunch of software, one of the things they installed was Qihoo 360. This wasn't requested, and it made me wonder whether or not Qihoo pays a bounty for each install to these random companies. It made me really suspicious of the software. Has anyone had any experience with their tools?
- xiaq 11y agoQihoo 360 is very successful in starting a hype in China and some tech company believe that installing it is good practice.
- codezero 11y agoWhy do they believe that? What does it offer that other tools don't?
- pki 11y agoAbsolutely nothing, it offers crap and it is crap. Just there is standard set every mainland chinese uses (if they're not expats), I often see QQ, PPStream (which at one point ran an open unauthenticated SOCKS? proxy to the world), 360 Antivirus/Suite (which is apparently awful), etc
- no4clipper 11y agoShow us some "non-crap" software/websites/game that you produced.
- xiaq 11y agoIt's been some years since I last used it, but some of the features are: 1) a repository of common (Chinese) software that you can install directly; 2) an alternative windows-update service that seems to work faster than windows's own; 3) a "janitor" tool, for inspecting and disabling auto-boot software, removing software otherwise tricky to remove, and removing temporary files; 4) a driver searching and matching tool that works much better than windows's own, which never worked for me. I was a bit emotional in my last comment, since honestly, there has been some decent work that went into this software. They also started to integrate free antivirus software at some point, but I have heard a lot of bad things about it. However, Qihoo 360 is notorious for spying on the user (there are some hard evidences), offering bogus functionality (placebo "optimizations"), taking advantage of the user in their "promotions" of other products from the company (a big, green, "install 360 browser now" button vs. a little, grey "no"), and cooperating with the authority on Internet censorship. It has become very unpopular among the tech-savvy people in China.
- codezero 11y agoOk. So doesn't hard evidence of spying invalidate all possible utility?
- tormeh 11y agoTo paraphrase: You must be new to humanity.
- codezero 11y agoI know people make trade offs, if that's what you're implying. Given that a lot of security software that isn't openly assumed to be spying on you is available, I'm asking why people would choose this software. Maybe I'm missing something, if so, I apologize for being thick.
- swuecho 11y agowhen my friends want me to clean his/her computer(too many autostart programs and unnecessary softwares installed), I usually install 360 security. It is simply the easiest to use and do not have free equivalent. It may do some aggressive things, but that is the price if you want the good part.
- codezero 11y agoWhat are the specific features it has that other tools don't have?
- swuecho 11y agosee xiaoq's reply above 3) a "janitor" tool, for inspecting and disabling auto-boot software, removing software otherwise tricky to remove, and removing temporary files; I need this feature especially.
- kevin_thibedeau 11y agoThere are other legitimate free tools that do that.
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- honest_joe 11y agoI was told many times that Qihoo360 is crapware. Anyway I hope this brings our cultures together as technology should be apolitical.
- mfjordvald 11y agoIt is. The browser also doesn't complain about the Chinese government SSL certificates used in SSL stripping. As someone who has lived in China for a while now I'm always wary about using any Chinese software.
- pki 11y agoI just don't use any chinese software wherever possible. Even the games contain malware rootkits that start at os boot, ring0 (tenprotect).
- honest_joe 11y agoIt's the way the communism is required to work. If everybody is doing why should not you ?
- xiaq 11y agoIt is shocking to see a post from Qihoo 360 appear on the official golang blog. This company is notorious for at least the following: * Their flagship products, "360 Security", provides an alternative Windows-update facility; they take use of this to disguise another product of theirs, "360 Browser", as a Windows update: http://www.ipc.me/360-fa-bu-jia-xi-tong-bu-ding.html http://www.ipc.me/360-fa-bu-jia-xi-tong-bu-ding.html (Chinese source) * "360 Security" and "360 Browser" spies extensively on the user, including uploading "suspicious" files for their "cloud antivirus" service, uploading the browsing history: http://www.ce.cn/cysc/tech/07hlw/guonei/201302/26/t20130226_21431285.shtml http://www.ce.cn/cysc/tech/07hlw/guonei/201302/26/t20130226_... http://tech.163.com/10/1231/17/6P8I1JPR000915BF.html http://tech.163.com/10/1231/17/6P8I1JPR000915BF.html (Chinese source) * "360 Security" was caught cheating in AV software tests: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2919554/tencent-qihoo-antimalware-firms-are-accused-of-cheating-stripped-of-rankings-in-antivirus-tests.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2919554/tencent-qihoo-antimal.... More interestingly, after the denunciation from the test bodies, Qihoo 360 pretended that it quit the test voluntarily and announced that these tests are no longer suitable for "Internet-era AV software". * They recently announced a "pregnancy mode" in their router product, due to widespread concern about the effect of WiFi signals on the fetus. Their wrongdoings are uncountable.
- MichaelGG 11y ago> They recently announced a "pregnancy mode" in their router product, due to widespread concern about the effect of WiFi signals on the fetus. That's the worst one of all as it contributes to people making stupider decisions and believing dumb stuff.
- marme 11y agoit is impossible to get chinese people stop believe these kinds of things even after they move to america most will continue to believe this kind of stuff. They believe all electronic equipment especially computer equipment give off radiation that is harmful to fetus, to combat this they will wear special maternity clothes that are lined with aluminum foil that acts as a faraday cage. if you ever see a pregnant chinese girl wearing weird overalls this is that special clothing, if you put your cell phone in the pocket it will immediately lose all signal. They also believe cactus absorb radiation and will keep them on their desk.
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- JSno 11y agoIt's a shame that technical people care political more than technologies. This is a good tech post, why bother criticizing something that you heard from biased western media. They always try to disgrace Chinese companies and Chinese people.
- golang3 11y agoIt's a shame for Go's official blog to put a post from the shameless company. They should remove the article.
- marme 11y ago@golang is the official twitter for the site, i suggest others message them to take this article down. They have already mentioned this article on twitter https://twitter.com/golang/status/618096409137393665 https://twitter.com/golang/status/618096409137393665
- simplexion 11y agoWe have a lot of Chinese students that come to the school I work at. All of them have this software and similar installed and it causes nothing but headaches. They believe they actually need it installed even when the school supplies them with a laptop that has all the necessary protection pre-installed.
- henryscala 11y agoI am a user of Qihoo 360 softwares like Cloud Storage and Mobile Phone management etc. In the past(Probably 6 ~ 7 years ago) Qihoo had bad reputation, because it once made its softwares like virus that the user cannot un-install them for competing with the competitors. After that, I think the company has changed its behaviors that it started emphasizing user experiences. And it also developed an anti-virus and anti-spyware software to be used by the user for free. The company changed the business of anti-virus and anti-spyware softwares in China. Now I think the company is an good innovative company in China.
- wener 11y agoNot at all.Just people get use to it.Those can accept, accept it.Those dislike, never touch it.
- jsno3 11y agoIt's a shame that technical people care political more than technologies. This is a good tech post, why bother criticizing something that you heard from biased western media. They always try to disgrace Chinese companies and Chinese people.
- est 11y ago360 has a very bad reputation in China as well Baidu for "360" "流氓" and you'll see. The founder of 360, 周鸿祎, is considered father of Chinese malware. “流氓软件之父”
- no4clipper 11y agoThere're just so many losers that sit in the dark corner trolling. There's nothing they can do, except expressing hate on HY, which just changes nothing.
- jsno4 11y agoI smell so many China-haters here. Please focus on discussing technical issues, not spreading hate. What you 've been told about china is 90% fake which are fabricated by CNN, FOX and NYTIMES.
- li-ch 11y agoIt's not China-hating. It's Chinese people hating on Qihoo.
- cdelsolar 11y agoCan people please discuss the technology stack and the content of the blog post here? Thanks.
- li-ch 11y agojsno2, jsno3, jsno4 are accounts created within an hour only to comment positively for Qihoo. Are there any rules on HN against this kind of behavior or can someone ban these fake accounts?
- girvo 11y agoFlag the comments by clicking the timestamp to see the comment as it's own thread.
- johntech-o 11y agoPlease focus on discussing technical issues!! it 's all about golang and large-scale application experiences ... the team just use it... some software engineers employed by qihoo...
- coderd 11y agofocus on tech
- justicezyx 11y agoThe company is bad in US standard. But it is still a OK company by Chinese standard. Surfing on Chinese Internet is like walking naked on a crowded street... You kind of need protection like Qihoo, like a mafia body guard... a bad guy, sure, but needed... This is a ironical situation...