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Why is the USA then the extreme outlier then when it comes to the sheer number of shootings also highest concentration of guns anywhere in the developed world?
by res0nat0r 11y ago
Why is the USA then the extreme outlier then when it comes to the sheer number of shootings also highest concentration of guns anywhere in the developed world?
- tedunangst 11y agoPerhaps people afraid of being the next shooting victim buy lots of guns.
- LyndsySimon 11y agoI have a lot of guns, and I know lots of people with lots of guns. None of us buy them beause we're "afraid of being the next shooting victim".
- tedunangst 11y agoAh, so per resonators comment, you must have bought them because you want to be the the next shooting perpetrator.
- hga 11y agoCorrelation does not imply causation. As noted elsewhere in this discussion, there are plenty of other potentially relevant correlations, and as also noted, if you cast the net wider than the ODEC we no longer are an "extreme outlier".
- res0nat0r 11y agoI'm not sure how we've deluded ourselves into thinking that the two are not directly related. As other commenters have mentioned, it isn't big scary guns, but the hundreds of millions of handguns everywhere and easily available in the USA that do most of the damage.
- hga 11y agoSee where I just commented on the fact that our murder rate has halved since the 1970-90s period while gun ownership rates have not changed, strongly suggesting we should look elsewhere, perhaps, as I note, demographics: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9838517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9838517
- res0nat0r 11y agoThe murder rate overall has gone down, but we are still an outlier when it comes to the number of guns and gun homicides.
- tedunangst 11y agoThis is a strange definition of correlated, where one variable changes and the other does not.
- res0nat0r 11y agoOur outlier high gun homicide rate is dependent on our extremely high number of guns easily available to commit those homicides.
- hga 11y agoSo you're saying these two variables are correlated, even though they are not, in fact, correlated?
- res0nat0r 11y agoThey are correlated.
- tedunangst 11y agoWho's on first?
- lagadu 11y agoI don't know. That's the point: a lot of us, including the article's author, are attributing causes to the amount of spree shootings along to the amount of deaths caused by firearms in general to several individual phenomena but there's almost no way of controlling for a myriad of other factors in play, which include very diverse things like culture, political climate and demographics.
- GVIrish 11y agoRussia's murder rate is twice that of the United States yet their gun laws are far more restrictive. Mexico's murder rate is also about 4 times higher than the United States even though there's literally only 1 legal gun shop in the entire country. I would wager that a lot of violence in the US is caused by the drug war. Mass shootings are more common than they should be but they're a drop in the bucket compared to all of the violence created by the drug black market.
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoBut drug violence has plummeted from its high point. The drop in drug prices (engineered by the CIA?) meant folks no longer want to get killed over $50.
- GVIrish 11y agoThe drop in drug violence could be a couple of different things but if it is correlated with a drop in prices that would suggest that decriminalizing or legalizing would further drop violence. Just like it did with the end of prohibition.