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The science behind the movie was very clever. What has disappointed me is that Disney/Pixar keep on pushing the sexism gambit in their movies. This movie wasn'

The science behind the movie was very clever. What has disappointed me is that Disney/Pixar keep on pushing the sexism gambit in their movies. This movie wasn't as bad as some of their others, but they are Consistently failing to address gender in a balanced way. Does anyone male in this movie do/say anything good? What about Frozen? The stupid (Wessleton) and nasty (Hans) are only male. Brave? Same thread. The kings/Princes are all obnoxious and/or stupid. Wreck-it-Ralph : Kowalski strikes Ralph across the face as a show of might and it's meant to be funny (ie. The modern assertive woman who bashes men as "humour") Several of the tinkerbell movies where ratchet & clank are the typical stupid males (and in most of them, they are almost the only males). To be fair. They do portray the southern belle as a dimwitted hick too, which is the stupid southerner prejudice emanating from the U.S. civil war. However, they did a great job with Tangled and Princess and the frog - there's a much better gender balance in those movies. It's a shame. You take your kids to see a supposedly family friendly movie and you cringe at the sexism that is pushed by the writers and directors. Do you just shrug it off, wondering if this prejudice won't rub off on your kids - or do you highlight the sexism to your kids and ask how a large studio could be so consistent in their bias, despite their deep attention to the science. I can't help feel there is more sexism and more conscious sexism than there has ever been. It really makes me sad.

1stop 11y ago
What about Toy Story, Incredibles, Cars, Up... Oh wait they completely invalidate your point, I get why you left them out. Or are you saying the sexism bias came in after the acquisition? So it's a Disney thing? Ignoring the fact that they are a company based around a massive Princess franchise, you are wondering why they like to manufacture princesses? Did you forget the two male leads in Frozen? (Kristof and Olaf). Do you point out the sexism in almost every facet of life to your kids? Or does this dilemma just hit you at disney movies? If your children are daughters, do you explain to them they should expect less from the world, because historic statistics show they are going to get less? Or if they are sons, do you explain how they will get more simply by being male?
- dufusmoo 11y ago
  The trailer completely turned me off seeing the movie. I don't think I'm going to bother watching it, or showing it to my kids. Especially after "Up!" and "Wall-e" failed to deliver. The trailer was ridiculously sexist in a way I don't think is helpful to anyone. The sexism was extremely negative IMHO. Surely you'd agree that the level of sexism shown isn't really necessary? While we're at it, can hollywood please stop using "they've drunk too much coffee and are now 'wired'" as a joke in kids movies. Overdosing on drugs isn't all that funny... edit: Downvote me? Why not respond instead.
  - 1stop 11y ago
    As I kind of indicated in my first comment... the world is a well and truly sexist place. I kind of think outrage at disney movies is misplaced. How about outrage at governments? or companies?
    - dufusmoo 11y ago
      Wait - so because the world may be sexist, we should show children extremely one dimensional stereotypical mother and father figures in movies? I can't remember the last pixar/disney movie that has been so outright sexist from the outset. But then I guess these days, it's totally fine as long as you're being sexist against men, and painting them to be idiotic uncaring imbeciles who never listen and can't do anything useful.
      - 1stop 11y ago
        I don't think this is a new thing. As I said, Disney are in the business of Princesses. Cinderella - The prince was an idiot, he couldn't even recognise a woman he danced with all night. Beauty and the Beast - All the male characters were majorly flawed and weak in some way, whilst Bella was strong, kind, brave, compassionate. This trend isn't new... nor alarming. Is your suggestion to NOT show children things you disagree with? What is the desired outcome? Do you think they are some how "damaged" by points of view you don't like?
mikehawkins 11y ago
Definitely agree on the science side - but I'd have to differ on the sexism argument. True, Pixar and Disney have recently taken small steps to balance the almost overwhelmingly boy/male as hero model with Brave and Frozen, but we're a loooong way from thinking that there's a dearth of independent, forceful male characters.
- Russwrites 11y ago
  I thought Tangled was Disney's finest moment. Two strong leads and lots of humour, plus Maximus the horse. I cringe at some films, I have a son and a daughter and I hate it when males are stupid and females are just holding out for a hero. But these type of films deal with stereotypical character types that are quickly recognised. The geeky kid has glasses, the princess is pretty, the muscular hero often doesn't pick up an non-verbal cues. What really freaks me out is the way the characters' eyes (especially princesses) are getting bigger every year!

1stop 11y ago

What about Toy Story, Incredibles, Cars, Up... Oh wait they completely invalidate your point, I get why you left them out. Or are you saying the sexism bias came in after the acquisition? So it's a Disney thing? Ignoring the fact that they are a company based around a massive Princess franchise, you are wondering why they like to manufacture princesses? Did you forget the two male leads in Frozen? (Kristof and Olaf). Do you point out the sexism in almost every facet of life to your kids? Or does this dilemma just hit you at disney movies? If your children are daughters, do you explain to them they should expect less from the world, because historic statistics show they are going to get less? Or if they are sons, do you explain how they will get more simply by being male?

dufusmoo 11y ago
The trailer completely turned me off seeing the movie. I don't think I'm going to bother watching it, or showing it to my kids. Especially after "Up!" and "Wall-e" failed to deliver. The trailer was ridiculously sexist in a way I don't think is helpful to anyone. The sexism was extremely negative IMHO. Surely you'd agree that the level of sexism shown isn't really necessary? While we're at it, can hollywood please stop using "they've drunk too much coffee and are now 'wired'" as a joke in kids movies. Overdosing on drugs isn't all that funny... edit: Downvote me? Why not respond instead.
- 1stop 11y ago
  As I kind of indicated in my first comment... the world is a well and truly sexist place. I kind of think outrage at disney movies is misplaced. How about outrage at governments? or companies?
  - dufusmoo 11y ago
    Wait - so because the world may be sexist, we should show children extremely one dimensional stereotypical mother and father figures in movies? I can't remember the last pixar/disney movie that has been so outright sexist from the outset. But then I guess these days, it's totally fine as long as you're being sexist against men, and painting them to be idiotic uncaring imbeciles who never listen and can't do anything useful.
    - 1stop 11y ago
      I don't think this is a new thing. As I said, Disney are in the business of Princesses. Cinderella - The prince was an idiot, he couldn't even recognise a woman he danced with all night. Beauty and the Beast - All the male characters were majorly flawed and weak in some way, whilst Bella was strong, kind, brave, compassionate. This trend isn't new... nor alarming. Is your suggestion to NOT show children things you disagree with? What is the desired outcome? Do you think they are some how "damaged" by points of view you don't like?

mikehawkins 11y ago

Definitely agree on the science side - but I'd have to differ on the sexism argument. True, Pixar and Disney have recently taken small steps to balance the almost overwhelmingly boy/male as hero model with Brave and Frozen, but we're a loooong way from thinking that there's a dearth of independent, forceful male characters.

Russwrites 11y ago
I thought Tangled was Disney's finest moment. Two strong leads and lots of humour, plus Maximus the horse. I cringe at some films, I have a son and a daughter and I hate it when males are stupid and females are just holding out for a hero. But these type of films deal with stereotypical character types that are quickly recognised. The geeky kid has glasses, the princess is pretty, the muscular hero often doesn't pick up an non-verbal cues. What really freaks me out is the way the characters' eyes (especially princesses) are getting bigger every year!