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In the United States women are born with extra rights such as: 1. Intact genitalia - males don't have this right 2. The right to vote and receive financial ai

• shoo 11y ago
  > A male can not choose not to be a parent. How about getting a vasectomy? That'd probably do the trick.
  • NotableAlamode 11y ago
    Vasectomy is not 100% reliable. Even after a successful vasectomy about 1 in 2,000 men will become fertile again at some point in the future. Moreover, having to engage in genital mutilation so as to avoid being tricked/lied/forced into fatherhood is hardly progressive.
    • arrrg 11y ago
      A biological difference leads to different options for different genders. (The delineation isn’t even strictly along gender lines, though, since this only applies to people who can become pregnant. Most of those are women, sure, but many women cannot become pregnant, for example.) If you value bodily autonomy (which I really hope you do – otherwise this discussion is kind of pointless) the only person who can decide what happens with their own body is the actual pregnant person – and no one else. This consequently means that we can only put this decision into their hands. It’s a function of the biological difference. I mean, misogynist assholes like to bang on and on and on about biological differences (most often referring to things we don’t even really know are biological differences) and how those make it imperative to treat genders differently – but here we have a crystal clear example of a biological difference leading to different options for different people – and suddenly that’s no ok?
      • iopq 11y ago
        OK, so what happens if the child is born and the woman drops it off at a "safe haven" without the father's knowledge? It's well out of her body, but a woman is never forced to be a mother if she doesn't want to be. On the other hand, a woman can have a child and force the man into fatherhood.
        • arrrg 11y ago
          Safe havens are about saving babies’ lives, not their parents. Also, no one can force anyone into parenthood since, you know, it’s necessary to at least have sex for that. All the rest is a function of where the baby is actually growing.
          • iopq 11y ago
            OK, let's assume a child exists. A woman can make a man pay. A man can't make a woman pay, she can just give the child up because she HAS MORE RIGHTS to the child.
          • NotableAlamode 11y ago
            Safe havens are about saving babies’ lives, not their parents. No, they are about women's convenience. Also, no one can force anyone into parenthood You are kidding, right. Sperm theft and rape of the father are counterexamples that have been discussed upthread.
            • bayesianhorse 11y ago
              "Sperm theft" and "rape of father" are so rare that this argument is utterly ridiculous in the face of persisting sexual violence against women.
              • NotableAlamode 11y ago
                The discussion here is whether women have more rights than men, or not. Sexual violence against women is irrelevant here, since it's illegal (unlike sexual violence against men). You keep changing the subject. Clearly that is because you understand on some level that your interlocutors are correct, but for some strange reason you cannot admit this in public. I guess you are experiencing cognitive dissonance because the truth that is being put right in front of your eyes here is uncomfortable and diametrically opposed to what you have been told by mainstream society. As an aside, it is very questionable if there is much sexual violence against women. For a start the scope of 'sexual violence' has been expanded to infinity, so that saying "nice booty" now counts as violence, and moreover, victimhood pays (for women) and this is being milked, pace the many false rape hoaxes that came to light recently, like mattress girl or the UVA gang rape hoax. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
  • iopq 11y ago
    Getting it undone may be a problem in the future if you want to be a parent. Maybe the operation is a success, but your body develops antibodies to sperm leading to being unable to conceive. There is no male contraceptive pill like the female one.
  • bayesianhorse 11y ago
    De facto he can. Pretty much more than women, actually. Men can choose to not have sex, and that choice is more rarely violated. There are contraceptives galore for men. Of course he can't violate a woman's right to her own body and terminate a pregnancy at her risk, or prevent a termination (how would that work actually?).
    • iopq 11y ago
      There is no male contraceptive pill. Men can also get taken advantage of, like in the case of a 15 year old boy who was seduced by his teacher. That boy has to pay child support now.
      • bayesianhorse 11y ago
        It's hard to argue he was forced, though. And child support mainly takes into account who's the parent of whom, and well, he is the father of the child. Seduction of teenage boys by adult women is both ridiculously easy and quite rare at the same time... One of the few crimes were the victim thinks he got lucky...
        • NotableAlamode 11y ago
          And child support mainly takes into account who's the parent of whom Actually it mainly takes into account the woman's wishes. If the woman states that X is the father and for some reason the X doesn't contest, he's in dock for child support even if he is not the father. This is a despicable law, along the lines of "black people are property" and needs to change pronto. Why do you keep defending the indefensible? Why do you hate making the world a better place? One of the few crimes It's not a crime in the first place. Sexual activity should be encouraged. What is a crime in the first place in the example is that the woman coerced a man into fatherhood without prior written impregnation consent.