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My own experience with my son is that he spends an enormous amount of time online on Pokemon. I'm still figuring out what the hell he's doing there. Some of i

My own experience with my son is that he spends an enormous amount of time online on Pokemon. I'm still figuring out what the hell he's doing there. Some of it seems useful. He just recently got excited about JavaScript, to help his buddy run a server, but fizzled out after five hours. He just doesn't have the follow-through skills. I'm trying to gently help him forward with it, but there is an engagement problem. (And some other problems, we're paying a lot of attention to him right now.) He's been through Minecraft, done some stuff, and then fell off when it got harder than he liked. Likewise with other video games. He loved Kerbal for 45 minutes and was done. He gets hooked on video games because they are shiny, and sniffs at some of the possibilities, but then drops out. They provide enough stimulation to distract him from whatever is bothering him, and to keep him from getting so bored that he might actually read a book. But they don't provide any steps up to an actual learning threshold. Yes, some people can learn enormous amounts from video games and such. But I worry that those people have a particular set of focus and problem-solving and follow-through skills. I don't see much in the online environment to help identify and fill those gaps for other people. Ideally schools should be able to do that, and no, too often they don't. But at least they have the opportunity to put great teachers in position to do just that. I definitely get the possibilities of video games and I hope I'm not hung up on conventional learnings. But I fear that for a large category of kids, these games are really net negatives. I'm definitely worried about my son.

asuffield 11y ago
I'm always very hesitant to suggest anything based on a vague description - but it sounds like games are not the problem here, because the same pattern repeats in other things.
- chernevik 11y ago
  Yes and no. Yes, there are definitely other problems (and we're trying to get at those). But the games are a problem as an attention sponge / stimulus hit. Thirty years ago the kid would have gotten so bored that he would have read a book or picked up a basketball or listening to music or something. Those initially would not have provided stimulus, but in time they would have, and he would have begun to associate the work done at them with stimulus and thus become more engaged with them. (I would hope. Maybe he'd start on weed, right?) Today, it is just too easy to get a small stimulus attention hit from some game, or surfing around. God knows I struggle with it sometimes, don't most of us? For a kid who hasn't developed real engagement and follow-through, those little hits stave off boredom, sort of, but never lead to anything more rewarding. All I'm saying is, I think the whole online environment definitely poses a new set of risks and that some people are more at risk than others.
nmrm2 11y ago
I don't really have any opinions about video games; I always got bored with them too quickly to spend any substantial amount of time on them. But that's really just me... I suspect if my hand/eye coordination and reflex time was a bit better I might've spent a lot of time on them. I had some problems with following through on hard tasks in grad school. When I got to the point where Google was completely useless and I knew I had six months of work to do (at best) with very little outside guidance, I kind of got down and couldn't focus. I found that biting off small pieces that seemed either easy or interesting and then convincing myself to forget about the long-term picture until I figured out that piece was a helpful way to avoid paralysis. Also, whispering "I could give you a hint" in your own ear is pretty amazingly helpful, for the same reason that just knowing you could just Google for the answer if you need to is helpful when you're working on a hard assignment. Less stress, I guess. Not sure if or how that applies to your son. Also seems like the sort of thing a kid would have a very difficult time doing for themselves. In any case, it sounds like you're very in tune and thinking about things the right way. Good luck with your son.

asuffield 11y ago

I'm always very hesitant to suggest anything based on a vague description - but it sounds like games are not the problem here, because the same pattern repeats in other things.

chernevik 11y ago
Yes and no. Yes, there are definitely other problems (and we're trying to get at those). But the games are a problem as an attention sponge / stimulus hit. Thirty years ago the kid would have gotten so bored that he would have read a book or picked up a basketball or listening to music or something. Those initially would not have provided stimulus, but in time they would have, and he would have begun to associate the work done at them with stimulus and thus become more engaged with them. (I would hope. Maybe he'd start on weed, right?) Today, it is just too easy to get a small stimulus attention hit from some game, or surfing around. God knows I struggle with it sometimes, don't most of us? For a kid who hasn't developed real engagement and follow-through, those little hits stave off boredom, sort of, but never lead to anything more rewarding. All I'm saying is, I think the whole online environment definitely poses a new set of risks and that some people are more at risk than others.

nmrm2 11y ago

I don't really have any opinions about video games; I always got bored with them too quickly to spend any substantial amount of time on them. But that's really just me... I suspect if my hand/eye coordination and reflex time was a bit better I might've spent a lot of time on them. I had some problems with following through on hard tasks in grad school. When I got to the point where Google was completely useless and I knew I had six months of work to do (at best) with very little outside guidance, I kind of got down and couldn't focus. I found that biting off small pieces that seemed either easy or interesting and then convincing myself to forget about the long-term picture until I figured out that piece was a helpful way to avoid paralysis. Also, whispering "I could give you a hint" in your own ear is pretty amazingly helpful, for the same reason that just knowing you could just Google for the answer if you need to is helpful when you're working on a hard assignment. Less stress, I guess. Not sure if or how that applies to your son. Also seems like the sort of thing a kid would have a very difficult time doing for themselves. In any case, it sounds like you're very in tune and thinking about things the right way. Good luck with your son.