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> Oh well, it was great while it lasted. Also an eight-year user; couldn't agree more.

res0nat0r 11y ago
This is overblown (like most internet nerd rage that transpired at Reddit the last few days). I bet most folks who don't frequent the site, and haven't used it over the holiday weekend will come back and not even know anything had transpired and don't feel any decline. I've used the site daily for a long time and it is fine by me. Maybe I just don't get upset that I can't say and do anything I want on the site because I know that is silly. Shutting down creep subreddits like fatpeoplehate and others is totally fine and isn't stifling anyones free speech. No one has a right to be able to post whatever they want on a 3rd party website, fortunately to many and unfortunately to some the Internet is no longer the Wild Wild West.
- smorrow 11y ago
  The only reason I even know what this is is that I just happened to go on /r/all that day out of boredom. And I go on Reddit, like, every day.
- mreiland 11y ago
  /r/fatpeoplehate wasn't a creep subreddit, as far as I can tell they got banned because they started brigading outside of the subreddit (harassing people they considered fat). I'm personally fine with those subreddits existing, free speech and all that, but I agreed with the decision to ban it. You step over the line when you start actively harassing people.
xq 11y ago
> > Oh well, it was great while it lasted. > Also an eight-year user; couldn't agree more. I've also been around since nearly the beginning (coming up on tenth cakeday) and I feel very similarly. I expressed as much in Alexis' modtalk thread, and I was glad to see many others doing the same. Site usability issues aside, frankly I couldn't care less about the admin-moderator and moderator-user dynamic of the default subs. The large-scale reddit community lost my interest years ago in typical Eternal September fashion. But I feel, on the whole, betrayed by the new direction of the site. Not only does it not reflect the early days of reddit that drew me in -- it doesn't even seem to reflect a natural growth-driven evolution of the platform. I find myself losing all remaining interest in reddit and suspect I'll delete my account in the coming weeks if there aren't major changes to (a) the horrendous attitude of the [user-facing] admins, (b) communication channels between reddit engineers and users who try to contribute to site development, (c) the ancient moderation tools that can't handle subreddits over 50 thousand users. It's been a great run. Really, what an amazing decade. But, at least for me, these recent events are just the final blow. They represent a turning point in reddit and a turning point in my own life. These discussion silos of the early 2000s all feel bloated and fairly useless now.
raldi 11y ago
As a ten-year user, I can attest that people have been saying that since 2005.
- mreiland 11y ago
  Do you remember when all you would hear is angst about the new folks who disliked "discourse" and instead wanted stupid things like cat pics all the time? This sort of whiny bullshit has been on reddit forever, the truth is the mods went for a power play because they didn't like what the admin's did, and the users got thrown under the bus. As a redditor of many years I just don't give 2 shits about it and I blame the mods more for the bullshit than reddit itself.
  - hoopd 11y ago
    If each subreddit with over 10,000 subscribers (all 2,000 of them) required just one hour of moderation per day and reddit had to pay $8/hr for it, that would cost them over $5 million/yr. If each subreddit with 30,000 or more subscribers (all 1,000 of them) required just 5 hours of moderation per day, and that cost $8/hr, that's over $10 million/yr. This is ignoring many mods are industry specialists who could charge $50-200/hr for the time they're donating to reddit. Saying they would like their tools updated and to be taken seriously is a small "power play" considering the massive amount of labor they donate to the site each year.
    - mreiland 11y ago
      Right, and McDonalds calls in plumbers to clean its bathrooms because it uses "Industry Specialists" for menial work. There seems to be this disingenuous need for those who are anti-reddit in this case to try and inflate what these people actually do. By and large, these mods are not content creators, they're mods. The people who post links on reddit are also not content creators, they're simply people who found something and posted a link on a site meant for linking stuff. Moderating takes work, but this idea that these moderators are people who have specialized knowledge and work day and night on this is horseshit. You do yourself and your cause a disservice when you talk like that.

This is overblown (like most internet nerd rage that transpired at Reddit the last few days). I bet most folks who don't frequent the site, and haven't used it over the holiday weekend will come back and not even know anything had transpired and don't feel any decline. I've used the site daily for a long time and it is fine by me. Maybe I just don't get upset that I can't say and do anything I want on the site because I know that is silly. Shutting down creep subreddits like fatpeoplehate and others is totally fine and isn't stifling anyones free speech. No one has a right to be able to post whatever they want on a 3rd party website, fortunately to many and unfortunately to some the Internet is no longer the Wild Wild West.

smorrow 11y ago
The only reason I even know what this is is that I just happened to go on /r/all that day out of boredom. And I go on Reddit, like, every day.
mreiland 11y ago
/r/fatpeoplehate wasn't a creep subreddit, as far as I can tell they got banned because they started brigading outside of the subreddit (harassing people they considered fat). I'm personally fine with those subreddits existing, free speech and all that, but I agreed with the decision to ban it. You step over the line when you start actively harassing people.

xq 11y ago

> > Oh well, it was great while it lasted. > Also an eight-year user; couldn't agree more. I've also been around since nearly the beginning (coming up on tenth cakeday) and I feel very similarly. I expressed as much in Alexis' modtalk thread, and I was glad to see many others doing the same. Site usability issues aside, frankly I couldn't care less about the admin-moderator and moderator-user dynamic of the default subs. The large-scale reddit community lost my interest years ago in typical Eternal September fashion. But I feel, on the whole, betrayed by the new direction of the site. Not only does it not reflect the early days of reddit that drew me in -- it doesn't even seem to reflect a natural growth-driven evolution of the platform. I find myself losing all remaining interest in reddit and suspect I'll delete my account in the coming weeks if there aren't major changes to (a) the horrendous attitude of the [user-facing] admins, (b) communication channels between reddit engineers and users who try to contribute to site development, (c) the ancient moderation tools that can't handle subreddits over 50 thousand users. It's been a great run. Really, what an amazing decade. But, at least for me, these recent events are just the final blow. They represent a turning point in reddit and a turning point in my own life. These discussion silos of the early 2000s all feel bloated and fairly useless now.

raldi 11y ago

As a ten-year user, I can attest that people have been saying that since 2005.

mreiland 11y ago
Do you remember when all you would hear is angst about the new folks who disliked "discourse" and instead wanted stupid things like cat pics all the time? This sort of whiny bullshit has been on reddit forever, the truth is the mods went for a power play because they didn't like what the admin's did, and the users got thrown under the bus. As a redditor of many years I just don't give 2 shits about it and I blame the mods more for the bullshit than reddit itself.
- hoopd 11y ago
  If each subreddit with over 10,000 subscribers (all 2,000 of them) required just one hour of moderation per day and reddit had to pay $8/hr for it, that would cost them over $5 million/yr. If each subreddit with 30,000 or more subscribers (all 1,000 of them) required just 5 hours of moderation per day, and that cost $8/hr, that's over $10 million/yr. This is ignoring many mods are industry specialists who could charge $50-200/hr for the time they're donating to reddit. Saying they would like their tools updated and to be taken seriously is a small "power play" considering the massive amount of labor they donate to the site each year.
  - mreiland 11y ago
    Right, and McDonalds calls in plumbers to clean its bathrooms because it uses "Industry Specialists" for menial work. There seems to be this disingenuous need for those who are anti-reddit in this case to try and inflate what these people actually do. By and large, these mods are not content creators, they're mods. The people who post links on reddit are also not content creators, they're simply people who found something and posted a link on a site meant for linking stuff. Moderating takes work, but this idea that these moderators are people who have specialized knowledge and work day and night on this is horseshit. You do yourself and your cause a disservice when you talk like that.