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I don't care about comments, but I'm definitely in favor of saving and upvoting being different for stories. Each story on New already has 4 or 5 links, depend

I don't care about comments, but I'm definitely in favor of saving and upvoting being different for stories. Each story on New already has 4 or 5 links, depending on how you count. What's one more?

dang 11y ago
> What's one more? The path to perdition.
- ScottBurson 11y ago
  I think separate buttons would be nice. The set of stories and comments I want to be able to refer back to is a relatively small fraction of the set I want to upvote. Of course it also means another database table, or equivalent, in the back end.
  - dang 11y ago
    It's not hard to save the data. What I don't see yet is a good interface for it. We're not going to pile on links for each new feature—that's obviously wrong for HN. Edit: I have an idea. We could add a 'save' link, but only at the top of a story or comment's individual /item page. To save a story or comment, you'd click on its timestamp to go to its individual page, then click 'save'. This is exactly how comment flagging works now. It would add no complexity to story pages and very little to thread pages.
- krapp 11y ago
  By that rationale, you can make Hacker News better by removing voting altogether. Get rid of those two arrows and the needless complexity of karma. Only you can save us from ourselves, dang.
DanBC 11y ago
Why don't people use bookmarks anymore?
- dredmorbius 11y ago
  Short answer: too much content, really horrible UI/UX for most browsers. I use bookmarks for frequently visited sites, and a few select references. Using them for content management... really doesn't work particularly well. Instead I actually download and save stuff I realliy want (and am actively looking for better tools to manage and organize that, though Zotero and Calibre are a start). I'd been using Readability somewhat, but it gets really inconvenient after a few hundred items (I've got 1000+ now). At least with site-specific curation you've got stuff saved in some sort of context, though, frankly, that doesn't much work either. It's a long-standing frustration of mine. Though it was actually kind of refreshing to read Vannevar Bush's Memex document a few days back which basically expressed the same concern from 1945.

I don't care about comments, but I'm definitely in favor of saving and upvoting being different for stories. Each story on New already has 4 or 5 links, depending on how you count. What's one more?

dang 11y ago

> What's one more? The path to perdition.

ScottBurson 11y ago
I think separate buttons would be nice. The set of stories and comments I want to be able to refer back to is a relatively small fraction of the set I want to upvote. Of course it also means another database table, or equivalent, in the back end.
- dang 11y ago
  It's not hard to save the data. What I don't see yet is a good interface for it. We're not going to pile on links for each new feature—that's obviously wrong for HN. Edit: I have an idea. We could add a 'save' link, but only at the top of a story or comment's individual /item page. To save a story or comment, you'd click on its timestamp to go to its individual page, then click 'save'. This is exactly how comment flagging works now. It would add no complexity to story pages and very little to thread pages.
krapp 11y ago
By that rationale, you can make Hacker News better by removing voting altogether. Get rid of those two arrows and the needless complexity of karma. Only you can save us from ourselves, dang.

DanBC 11y ago

Why don't people use bookmarks anymore?

dredmorbius 11y ago
Short answer: too much content, really horrible UI/UX for most browsers. I use bookmarks for frequently visited sites, and a few select references. Using them for content management... really doesn't work particularly well. Instead I actually download and save stuff I realliy want (and am actively looking for better tools to manage and organize that, though Zotero and Calibre are a start). I'd been using Readability somewhat, but it gets really inconvenient after a few hundred items (I've got 1000+ now). At least with site-specific curation you've got stuff saved in some sort of context, though, frankly, that doesn't much work either. It's a long-standing frustration of mine. Though it was actually kind of refreshing to read Vannevar Bush's Memex document a few days back which basically expressed the same concern from 1945.