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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_rate_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... How

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_rate_statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... How is stating the truth racist? I think you are the one who needs to "take a chill pill". EDIT: You need to scroll down in the wiki article to get rates for specific crimes. E.g. from the Homocide section: the offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites. EDIT 2: And regarding capitalization, see http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/173974/are-white-and-black-ever-capitalized-when-referring-to-people http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/173974/are-white-... It's not just murderers who capitalize Black and White.

late2part 11y ago
I think arthurcolle's point is that most people believe our justice system is inherently racist; poor minorities do not have access to the same financial means for legal resources, they are not given as many breaks as rich white people, etc. His concern seems to be that your stated source focuses on "offending" which implicitly infers that they are caught and charged by law enforcement. Your assertion was about "commit[ing] crimes" while your fact is about "offending" or charged or convicted with crimes.
- ams6110 11y ago
  Access to legal resources is nearly exclusively related to wealth, not race. A black person will have pretty much the same access to legal resources as the equivalently wealthy white person. Poor people regardless of race don't have much access to anything.
- JesperRavn 11y ago
  In that case you should check out the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Prosecutorial_and_police_discrimination_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... It seems clear to me given the evidence presented, that bias in the justice system does not account for the gap when it comes to serious crimes. Given this, in my opinion "Blacks commit crimes at around 5x higher rate than Whites" is a fair claim. I actually should have said 8x, I misremembered the article. One interesting thing to me is that within parts of academia, it is not controversial to claim that Black people commit more crimes. Such academics seek the causes of this difference in various sociological explanations. You can see the discussion in the rest of the wiki article. But outside of academia a very different story is told. I believe that academics think that ordinary people cannot be trusted not to draw "racist" conclusions from the statistics about crime. Therefore liberal academics do nothing to dispel the myth amongst mainstream liberals, that Black crime rates are mainly due to bias in the justice system.
- r0naa 11y ago
  > I think arthurcolle's point is that most people believe our justice system is inherently racist; poor minorities do not have access to the same financial means for legal resources Class segregation isn't the same thing as racism.
  - mistermann 11y ago
    Perhaps, but if you have a non-uniform distribution of race amongst classes, it's not entirely unrelated.
tokenadult 11y ago
That Wikipedia article reflects some of the worst problems of biased sourcing on Wikipedia. (I say this as a Wikipedian who tries to fix those problems.)
- JesperRavn 11y ago
  I've seen a lot of different studies related to race and crime, and nothing that would imply a bias in the justice system that could explain the 8x greater rate of crimes such as homocide. My original post was fair and correct, because all the available evidence makes it very clear that the rate at which Black people commit crimes is much higher than for White people.
tsotha 11y ago
There are just some things you're not supposed to notice in the US.

late2part 11y ago

I think arthurcolle's point is that most people believe our justice system is inherently racist; poor minorities do not have access to the same financial means for legal resources, they are not given as many breaks as rich white people, etc. His concern seems to be that your stated source focuses on "offending" which implicitly infers that they are caught and charged by law enforcement. Your assertion was about "commit[ing] crimes" while your fact is about "offending" or charged or convicted with crimes.

ams6110 11y ago
Access to legal resources is nearly exclusively related to wealth, not race. A black person will have pretty much the same access to legal resources as the equivalently wealthy white person. Poor people regardless of race don't have much access to anything.
JesperRavn 11y ago
In that case you should check out the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Prosecutorial_and_police_discrimination_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_S... It seems clear to me given the evidence presented, that bias in the justice system does not account for the gap when it comes to serious crimes. Given this, in my opinion "Blacks commit crimes at around 5x higher rate than Whites" is a fair claim. I actually should have said 8x, I misremembered the article. One interesting thing to me is that within parts of academia, it is not controversial to claim that Black people commit more crimes. Such academics seek the causes of this difference in various sociological explanations. You can see the discussion in the rest of the wiki article. But outside of academia a very different story is told. I believe that academics think that ordinary people cannot be trusted not to draw "racist" conclusions from the statistics about crime. Therefore liberal academics do nothing to dispel the myth amongst mainstream liberals, that Black crime rates are mainly due to bias in the justice system.
r0naa 11y ago
> I think arthurcolle's point is that most people believe our justice system is inherently racist; poor minorities do not have access to the same financial means for legal resources Class segregation isn't the same thing as racism.
- mistermann 11y ago
  Perhaps, but if you have a non-uniform distribution of race amongst classes, it's not entirely unrelated.

tokenadult 11y ago

That Wikipedia article reflects some of the worst problems of biased sourcing on Wikipedia. (I say this as a Wikipedian who tries to fix those problems.)

JesperRavn 11y ago
I've seen a lot of different studies related to race and crime, and nothing that would imply a bias in the justice system that could explain the 8x greater rate of crimes such as homocide. My original post was fair and correct, because all the available evidence makes it very clear that the rate at which Black people commit crimes is much higher than for White people.

tsotha 11y ago

There are just some things you're not supposed to notice in the US.