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According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. In other news, foreigners don't look to the US constitution before deciding whether

According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. In other news, foreigners don't look to the US constitution before deciding whether to be cross about being spied on.

user 11y ago
>According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. Legal scholars disagree with you: http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
- csandreasen 11y ago
  Reading through that paper, it seems pretty clear that the author is discussing the rights of foreigners inside the US. The idea that the US should be upholding US constitutional rights for non-US citizens residing in another country's sovereign territory is not something that legal scholars are arguing.
  - user 11y ago
    I posted paper to answer blatant "according to Constitution foreigners don't have any rights at all". Regarding other countries - they obviously have their own bills, laws and regulations. The idea that US citizens residing in other countries are exempt from local laws just on the basis that they are doing service to US is ridiculous.
    - richmarr 11y ago
      ... blatant... rediculous... You seem to be arguing against an assertion I never made. Not sure what to clarify. Maybe I wasn't clear somewhere, or maybe you've taken something out of context, I don't know. Might help to go read the thread from the top. Let me know if you can't figure out where our wires got crossed and I'll try and clarify.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. Only if you read things like "no person" (as in, among other places, the Fifth Amendment) to mean "no citizen", which isn't what the text says, isn't likely what was intended by the original authors, and isn't how legal scholars or courts have interpreted the language since its been written. Now, there are rights in the Constitution that belong to citizens as such rather than persons in general, such as voting rights protected under, among other provisions, the 15th Amendment. But to say that foreigners don't have any rights under the Constitution is incorrect.
- richmarr 11y ago
  Only if you read things like "no person"... We're talking about foreign nationals on foreign soil.

According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. In other news, foreigners don't look to the US constitution before deciding whether to be cross about being spied on.

user 11y ago

>According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. Legal scholars disagree with you: http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...

csandreasen 11y ago
Reading through that paper, it seems pretty clear that the author is discussing the rights of foreigners inside the US. The idea that the US should be upholding US constitutional rights for non-US citizens residing in another country's sovereign territory is not something that legal scholars are arguing.
- user 11y ago
  I posted paper to answer blatant "according to Constitution foreigners don't have any rights at all". Regarding other countries - they obviously have their own bills, laws and regulations. The idea that US citizens residing in other countries are exempt from local laws just on the basis that they are doing service to US is ridiculous.
  - richmarr 11y ago
    ... blatant... rediculous... You seem to be arguing against an assertion I never made. Not sure what to clarify. Maybe I wasn't clear somewhere, or maybe you've taken something out of context, I don't know. Might help to go read the thread from the top. Let me know if you can't figure out where our wires got crossed and I'll try and clarify.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> According to the US constitution, foreigners don't have any rights at all. Only if you read things like "no person" (as in, among other places, the Fifth Amendment) to mean "no citizen", which isn't what the text says, isn't likely what was intended by the original authors, and isn't how legal scholars or courts have interpreted the language since its been written. Now, there are rights in the Constitution that belong to citizens as such rather than persons in general, such as voting rights protected under, among other provisions, the 15th Amendment. But to say that foreigners don't have any rights under the Constitution is incorrect.

richmarr 11y ago
Only if you read things like "no person"... We're talking about foreign nationals on foreign soil.