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Apple is generally very cautious when considering whether to add functionality that might be used to build potentially deceptive user experiences. I would think

by natch 11y ago

Apple is generally very cautious when considering whether to add functionality that might be used to build potentially deceptive user experiences. I would think that full screen is such a functionality. They have a different metric for the concept of "beating other browser interfaces", one that puts a higher priority on protecting the privacy and other interests of the user.

panic 11y ago
Indeed, Apple briefly added a sort of full-screen mode to iOS Safari (Google "minimal-ui" viewport for more info) but removed it due to abuse.
- exodust 11y ago
  What abuse? Briefly googled but only got a bland "this feature has been removed" from Apple support doc. So where did you read that they removed it due to abuse? I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. Oh no,they might be killed by falling tree branch, or hit by a car, or.... but they live another day. Most people will live another day with the full screen WMD in their browser features.
  - natch 11y ago
    >What abuse? phishing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ >I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. No, that's a really shitty analogy. It's more similar to a personal location-tracking mobile device where a lot of people store private and sensitive information, on which you can access web pages and install apps that have the ability to read that information, sometimes in ways beyond what the user expects.
exodust 11y ago
Can't we enjoy a world with full screen goodness regardless of the edge-of-your-seat, pants on fire risks from such reckless behaviour? Full screen is a familiar mode initialised by user action, for things like video on a website. You go into full screen, you come out of full screen. It's a well understood thing. The idea that a malicious website could trick you into thinking you're viewing your iPad's home screen... well that's a shaky argument, full of holes. Every iPad user in the world knows what their home button does. Short of intoxicated illiterates swiping their iPads down scary street after visiting evil websites, there's zero issues. The only issue is Apple's unwillingness to share the "native" features with the web browser. That tiny little 'x', you know the one, to close those pop-down messages "this site has an app". Bad UX for anyone wanting to dismiss that message. Tapping anywhere in the message except the store button should dismiss the message.

by natch 11y ago

panic 11y ago

Indeed, Apple briefly added a sort of full-screen mode to iOS Safari (Google "minimal-ui" viewport for more info) but removed it due to abuse.

exodust 11y ago
What abuse? Briefly googled but only got a bland "this feature has been removed" from Apple support doc. So where did you read that they removed it due to abuse? I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. Oh no,they might be killed by falling tree branch, or hit by a car, or.... but they live another day. Most people will live another day with the full screen WMD in their browser features.
- natch 11y ago
  >What abuse? phishing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ >I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. No, that's a really shitty analogy. It's more similar to a personal location-tracking mobile device where a lot of people store private and sensitive information, on which you can access web pages and install apps that have the ability to read that information, sometimes in ways beyond what the user expects.

exodust 11y ago

Can't we enjoy a world with full screen goodness regardless of the edge-of-your-seat, pants on fire risks from such reckless behaviour? Full screen is a familiar mode initialised by user action, for things like video on a website. You go into full screen, you come out of full screen. It's a well understood thing. The idea that a malicious website could trick you into thinking you're viewing your iPad's home screen... well that's a shaky argument, full of holes. Every iPad user in the world knows what their home button does. Short of intoxicated illiterates swiping their iPads down scary street after visiting evil websites, there's zero issues. The only issue is Apple's unwillingness to share the "native" features with the web browser. That tiny little 'x', you know the one, to close those pop-down messages "this site has an app". Bad UX for anyone wanting to dismiss that message. Tapping anywhere in the message except the store button should dismiss the message.