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> We can keep screaming at them until we're blue in the face and nothing will change. Well, unless you're Taylor Swift. Then Apple will do what you ask within

> We can keep screaming at them until we're blue in the face and nothing will change. Well, unless you're Taylor Swift. Then Apple will do what you ask within 24h. I know there's no Taylor Swift of the iOS software ecosystem, but I think that's attitude is defeatist. If more people complained about a lack of real browser choice on iOS, including developers and users, Apple would eventually have to cave. Oh, and I don't think Apple had more than 20% of the U.S. ebook market, yet DoJ still sued them for price fixing - and Apple lost. So if we can find the will (political or otherwise), I think we can get Apple to allow other browsers. In the U.S., where this case would be tried anyway, Apple has over 40% market share.

2muchcoffeeman 11y ago
I don't think the price fixing had anything to do with market share. The publishers wanted bigger profits and Apple wanted a larger market share of eBooks. If anything they were attempting to break a monopoly.
toyg 11y ago
DoJ sued Apple and a cartel of publishers which dominated the market: "The Publisher Defendants sold over 48% of all e-books in the U.S.". Big difference. Apple was central to the conspiracy to fix prices, but the main charge was really against the publishers.
- bjelkeman-again 11y ago
  Isn't Apple paying the fines? Did I miss that the publishers have to poney up too?
  - toyg 11y ago
    They settled.
Bud 11y ago
> If more people complained about a lack of real browser choice on iOS, including developers and users, Apple would eventually have to cave. Nope. Don't you remember just a few years ago, when everyone was screaming at Apple for years to put Flash on its mobile devices? Apple never caved. Apple doubled down, because Apple was smart enough to figure out that Flash was a battery-sucking, security-ruining disaster. Gee, kinda like allowing third parties to control the web browser on a mobile device would be. Fancy that!
- bsder 11y ago
  > Apple doubled down, because Apple was smart enough to figure out that Flash was a battery-sucking, security-ruining disaster. Apple doubled down because Apple was never going to concede to ANY party that might take their control away ever again. Apple is never going to concede on this either because eventually people would then use the browser to escape the App Store. You can scream until you are blue in the face and Apple will ignore you because unfettered Javascript is an existential threat to their walled garden.

2muchcoffeeman 11y ago

I don't think the price fixing had anything to do with market share. The publishers wanted bigger profits and Apple wanted a larger market share of eBooks. If anything they were attempting to break a monopoly.

toyg 11y ago

DoJ sued Apple and a cartel of publishers which dominated the market: "The Publisher Defendants sold over 48% of all e-books in the U.S.". Big difference. Apple was central to the conspiracy to fix prices, but the main charge was really against the publishers.

bjelkeman-again 11y ago
Isn't Apple paying the fines? Did I miss that the publishers have to poney up too?
- toyg 11y ago
  They settled.

Bud 11y ago

> If more people complained about a lack of real browser choice on iOS, including developers and users, Apple would eventually have to cave. Nope. Don't you remember just a few years ago, when everyone was screaming at Apple for years to put Flash on its mobile devices? Apple never caved. Apple doubled down, because Apple was smart enough to figure out that Flash was a battery-sucking, security-ruining disaster. Gee, kinda like allowing third parties to control the web browser on a mobile device would be. Fancy that!

bsder 11y ago
> Apple doubled down, because Apple was smart enough to figure out that Flash was a battery-sucking, security-ruining disaster. Apple doubled down because Apple was never going to concede to ANY party that might take their control away ever again. Apple is never going to concede on this either because eventually people would then use the browser to escape the App Store. You can scream until you are blue in the face and Apple will ignore you because unfettered Javascript is an existential threat to their walled garden.