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If a business cannot afford 2000$ every 3 years pr machine they have running, they either have too many useless machines running, or they should not not exist.

If a business cannot afford 2000$ every 3 years pr machine they have running, they either have too many useless machines running, or they should not not exist. It's akin to rely on a car, but complain that it require maintenance.

chris_wot 11y ago
Or they could migrate to Linux, or if that's a massive stretch just get LibreOffice. Sure, it has downsides, but they are already running on the smell of an oily rag, at least this way they save costs in totality, not just because they have hopped off the software upgrade treadmill.
- hvidgaard 11y ago
  You have to spend far more time keeping a Linux machine running, especially when something breaks - I have yet to experience otherwise. A Business that seriously run linux usually run one of the paid version anyway.
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    I didn't say it would be easier, only cheaper.
    - orionblastar 11y ago
      Ease of use is a main factor in any business trying to buy software for their employees. Most employees are not computer savvy and could not figure out Linux. Even if they learned the GUI, if it had a problem and dropped down to the shell, they would be lost. Most System Administrators and Technicians know only Windows and don't know how to support Linux. Some companies use Linux as a server to save money, but not as a desktop.
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        If a business cannot afford 2000$ every 3 years pr machine they have running, they either have too many useless machines running, or they should not not exist. It's akin to rely on a car, but complain that it require maintenance. That's the original post I was responding to. In the context of the discussion, I was referring to a business that made so little money they couldn't afford to buy software licenses. The original poster said one option was that they shouldn't exist as a business. I merely said that one possible option for a business in this situation is to use Linux on the desktop. Apparently the alternative is that, much like a dead parrot, they cease to exist. Obviously, I wasn't referring to an ordinary business, nor am I advocating this approach normally.
        hvidgaard 11y ago
        I do understand your logic, but my statement was akin to a mechanic buying the cheapest tools, slightly out of tolerance, and and a diagnosticstool that don't quite give them all the correct error codes. In the long run that descision will cost them more, than buying the correct tools in the first place - so if they cannot afford it, it's hard to justify the existince of that business. Perhaps it's a telling sign of a manager that doesn't understand the implication of that decision, or a dying business.
cmdrfred 11y ago
2000? Try sub 300. (you won't be running autocad on this but for someone answering email and writing up reports in excel this is decent enough) Microsoft products are really affordable if you break it down to a per day usage. Inspiron 3646 - $259.00 Microsoft Office 365 small business (5 machines/1 year) - $97.98 / 5 = $19.60 (5 cents a day) Total: $278.6 per machine 1:http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=bfda5510 http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInv... 2:http://www.mychoicesoftware.com/products/microsoft-office-365-small-business-premium-1-yr-5-pc-mac-win-license?variant=3195523265 http://www.mychoicesoftware.com/products/microsoft-office-36...
- hvidgaard 11y ago
  That is.... far less than expected. Does that include a monitor and peripherals as well?

chris_wot 11y ago

Or they could migrate to Linux, or if that's a massive stretch just get LibreOffice. Sure, it has downsides, but they are already running on the smell of an oily rag, at least this way they save costs in totality, not just because they have hopped off the software upgrade treadmill.

hvidgaard 11y ago
You have to spend far more time keeping a Linux machine running, especially when something breaks - I have yet to experience otherwise. A Business that seriously run linux usually run one of the paid version anyway.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  I didn't say it would be easier, only cheaper.
  - orionblastar 11y ago
    Ease of use is a main factor in any business trying to buy software for their employees. Most employees are not computer savvy and could not figure out Linux. Even if they learned the GUI, if it had a problem and dropped down to the shell, they would be lost. Most System Administrators and Technicians know only Windows and don't know how to support Linux. Some companies use Linux as a server to save money, but not as a desktop.
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      If a business cannot afford 2000$ every 3 years pr machine they have running, they either have too many useless machines running, or they should not not exist. It's akin to rely on a car, but complain that it require maintenance. That's the original post I was responding to. In the context of the discussion, I was referring to a business that made so little money they couldn't afford to buy software licenses. The original poster said one option was that they shouldn't exist as a business. I merely said that one possible option for a business in this situation is to use Linux on the desktop. Apparently the alternative is that, much like a dead parrot, they cease to exist. Obviously, I wasn't referring to an ordinary business, nor am I advocating this approach normally.
      - hvidgaard 11y ago
        I do understand your logic, but my statement was akin to a mechanic buying the cheapest tools, slightly out of tolerance, and and a diagnosticstool that don't quite give them all the correct error codes. In the long run that descision will cost them more, than buying the correct tools in the first place - so if they cannot afford it, it's hard to justify the existince of that business. Perhaps it's a telling sign of a manager that doesn't understand the implication of that decision, or a dying business.

cmdrfred 11y ago

2000? Try sub 300. (you won't be running autocad on this but for someone answering email and writing up reports in excel this is decent enough) Microsoft products are really affordable if you break it down to a per day usage. Inspiron 3646 - $259.00 Microsoft Office 365 small business (5 machines/1 year) - $97.98 / 5 = $19.60 (5 cents a day) Total: $278.6 per machine 1:http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=bfda5510 http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/SecondaryInv... 2:http://www.mychoicesoftware.com/products/microsoft-office-365-small-business-premium-1-yr-5-pc-mac-win-license?variant=3195523265 http://www.mychoicesoftware.com/products/microsoft-office-36...

hvidgaard 11y ago
That is.... far less than expected. Does that include a monitor and peripherals as well?