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I recently switched from Chrome to Safari. It's a better experience for me.

wodenokoto 11y ago
The user interface in Safari is indeed very modern and rivals most if not flat out beat them. But this is a backend problem. Safari is literally holding the web back by not properly supporting modern web technologies. And not allowing users to switch away from safari on one of the widest used platform is a huge problem
- exodust 11y ago
  Safari can't be switched to full screen on iOS. That's a point against the interface for me. I honestly have no idea where you're getting the idea that Safari flat out beats other browser interfaces?
  - rockdoe 11y ago
    ...not to mention that restrictions on what you can do with the WebView also restrict what you can eventually achieve with the UX, effectively crippling Safari's competition.
  - pistoriusp 11y ago
    I'm talking about the desktop experience. Chrome was a hog on my machine and didn't offer anything explicitly better compared to Safari. I personally prefer the cleanliness of the interface and the smooth scroll speed of Safari over Chrome and Firefox.
  - LeoNatan25 11y ago
    As usual with UI, it is very personal. I happen to agree that Apple's Safari UI, in both iOS and OS X is preferable to other browsers, but that is very personal. Others prefer Firefox, Chrome and even IE/Edge. And that's fine.
  - natch 11y ago
    Apple is generally very cautious when considering whether to add functionality that might be used to build potentially deceptive user experiences. I would think that full screen is such a functionality. They have a different metric for the concept of "beating other browser interfaces", one that puts a higher priority on protecting the privacy and other interests of the user.
    - panic 11y ago
      Indeed, Apple briefly added a sort of full-screen mode to iOS Safari (Google "minimal-ui" viewport for more info) but removed it due to abuse.
      - exodust 11y ago
        What abuse? Briefly googled but only got a bland "this feature has been removed" from Apple support doc. So where did you read that they removed it due to abuse? I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. Oh no,they might be killed by falling tree branch, or hit by a car, or.... but they live another day. Most people will live another day with the full screen WMD in their browser features.
        natch 11y ago
        >What abuse? phishing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ >I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. No, that's a really shitty analogy. It's more similar to a personal location-tracking mobile device where a lot of people store private and sensitive information, on which you can access web pages and install apps that have the ability to read that information, sometimes in ways beyond what the user expects.
    - exodust 11y ago
      Can't we enjoy a world with full screen goodness regardless of the edge-of-your-seat, pants on fire risks from such reckless behaviour? Full screen is a familiar mode initialised by user action, for things like video on a website. You go into full screen, you come out of full screen. It's a well understood thing. The idea that a malicious website could trick you into thinking you're viewing your iPad's home screen... well that's a shaky argument, full of holes. Every iPad user in the world knows what their home button does. Short of intoxicated illiterates swiping their iPads down scary street after visiting evil websites, there's zero issues. The only issue is Apple's unwillingness to share the "native" features with the web browser. That tiny little 'x', you know the one, to close those pop-down messages "this site has an app". Bad UX for anyone wanting to dismiss that message. Tapping anywhere in the message except the store button should dismiss the message.

The user interface in Safari is indeed very modern and rivals most if not flat out beat them. But this is a backend problem. Safari is literally holding the web back by not properly supporting modern web technologies. And not allowing users to switch away from safari on one of the widest used platform is a huge problem

exodust 11y ago
Safari can't be switched to full screen on iOS. That's a point against the interface for me. I honestly have no idea where you're getting the idea that Safari flat out beats other browser interfaces?
- rockdoe 11y ago
  ...not to mention that restrictions on what you can do with the WebView also restrict what you can eventually achieve with the UX, effectively crippling Safari's competition.
- pistoriusp 11y ago
  I'm talking about the desktop experience. Chrome was a hog on my machine and didn't offer anything explicitly better compared to Safari. I personally prefer the cleanliness of the interface and the smooth scroll speed of Safari over Chrome and Firefox.
- LeoNatan25 11y ago
  As usual with UI, it is very personal. I happen to agree that Apple's Safari UI, in both iOS and OS X is preferable to other browsers, but that is very personal. Others prefer Firefox, Chrome and even IE/Edge. And that's fine.
- natch 11y ago
  Apple is generally very cautious when considering whether to add functionality that might be used to build potentially deceptive user experiences. I would think that full screen is such a functionality. They have a different metric for the concept of "beating other browser interfaces", one that puts a higher priority on protecting the privacy and other interests of the user.
  - panic 11y ago
    Indeed, Apple briefly added a sort of full-screen mode to iOS Safari (Google "minimal-ui" viewport for more info) but removed it due to abuse.
    - exodust 11y ago
      What abuse? Briefly googled but only got a bland "this feature has been removed" from Apple support doc. So where did you read that they removed it due to abuse? I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. Oh no,they might be killed by falling tree branch, or hit by a car, or.... but they live another day. Most people will live another day with the full screen WMD in their browser features.
      - natch 11y ago
        >What abuse? phishing attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ http://feross.org/html5-fullscreen-api-attack/ >I think it's a similar risk to letting people walk down the footpath. No, that's a really shitty analogy. It's more similar to a personal location-tracking mobile device where a lot of people store private and sensitive information, on which you can access web pages and install apps that have the ability to read that information, sometimes in ways beyond what the user expects.
  - exodust 11y ago
    Can't we enjoy a world with full screen goodness regardless of the edge-of-your-seat, pants on fire risks from such reckless behaviour? Full screen is a familiar mode initialised by user action, for things like video on a website. You go into full screen, you come out of full screen. It's a well understood thing. The idea that a malicious website could trick you into thinking you're viewing your iPad's home screen... well that's a shaky argument, full of holes. Every iPad user in the world knows what their home button does. Short of intoxicated illiterates swiping their iPads down scary street after visiting evil websites, there's zero issues. The only issue is Apple's unwillingness to share the "native" features with the web browser. That tiny little 'x', you know the one, to close those pop-down messages "this site has an app". Bad UX for anyone wanting to dismiss that message. Tapping anywhere in the message except the store button should dismiss the message.