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Yes, this is exactly right. If you want to write free software just use a nice license like MIT, BSD, Apache, Eclipse etc. Why would you want to force your view
by istvan__ 11y ago
Yes, this is exactly right. If you want to write free software just use a nice license like MIT, BSD, Apache, Eclipse etc. Why would you want to force your views on people?
- kijin 11y agoNobody is forcing any views on anyone. If you don't like the license on a piece of code, don't use it.
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- istvan__ 11y agoAs I said earlier I do not use AGPL code. Don't you need to opensource a service that works with the AGPL service?
- kijin 11y agoYou are right. The whole point of Mailpile is to take your data off the cloud and control it yourself. It is explicitly and deliberately anti-cloud. If the license makes it nearly impossible for others to use Mailpile as part of a cloud-based platform, the developers probably consider it a feature, not a bug. If there's any program for which AGPL is an appropriate license, Mailpile is it.
- istvan__ 11y agoWe reached an agreement: - you proved to me that AGPL is not usable in any professional system that runs in the cloud - also proved that it does things forcefully so I am right not using it Thank you!
- bildung 11y ago> - you proved to me that AGPL is not usable in any professional system that runs in the cloud That interpretation is wrong. The AGPL just prevents you from pursuing a business model that is based on leeching off the mailpile project without contributing back. It's the decade old misunderstanding. The GPL is about user freedom. You talk about developer freedom. Mailpile tries to optimize for user freedom. The whole project is about preventing business models like the one you proposed. Choosing the AGPL is completely coherent with the stated project goals.
- istvan__ 11y agoNope. I am not leaching on anything. You can twist words as much as you want but freedom is not defined by you or RMS or for that matter anybody else. It is pretty clearly defined in the dictionary and AGPL contradicts the foundation of freedom. If you dont want people use your software freely dont call it free software. Call it "limited use to a subset of non-profit oriented users who contribute everything back in return of using my software". That would greatly simplify the life for everybody and we could save the planet instead of haveing this thread about what is the definition of freedom and who does it apply to.
- belorn 11y agoNo. The foundation of freedom as defined in Western and European law comes mostly from the roman empire and is what later defined the political science of liberty. The foundation of freedom rest in the individual ability to create agency. Freedom is not the "liberty for everyone to do what he likes, to live as he pleases, and not to be tied by any laws", but "consists of being under no other lawmaking power except that established by consent". It was a licensed chosen by a vote. As freedom goes, it more or less defines the ideal situation.
- istvan__ 11y agoSorry but freedom existed before law existed. This argument that everything has to be defined by the law is silly.