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Apple stopped patching Leopard (released in 2007) by 2011 and stopped supporting IOS 5 (released in 2011) just this year. Google is just starting to ditch suppo

Apple stopped patching Leopard (released in 2007) by 2011 and stopped supporting IOS 5 (released in 2011) just this year. Google is just starting to ditch support for Ice Cream Sandwich (released in 2011). Why should Microsoft continue to support office below 2007?

toyg 11y ago
"From great power comes great responsibility." - Benjamin "Ben" Parker, 1962
- joshuapants 11y ago
  "Computers give the user great power, so it's the user's responsibility to keep software up to date instead of relying on ancient packages." - Me, applying that logic to this situation, 1435872794 seconds since Jan 01 1970
orionblastar 11y ago
Some companies cannot afford to upgrade their hardware to run the latest versions. They are stuck on older Windows versions that cannot run the latest Office versions. I noticed a lot of companies still stick with XP. I watched the Terminator Genisys movie and had a display in the hallway with a pop-up that said XP support has ended. A lot of Movie Theaters use XP still. The US Navy still uses XP and an old version of Office.
- cmdrfred 11y ago
  "We can't afford it" is the mating call of the business owner/MBA. I've worked for ten companies over the course of my life (small business to mid size), none of them could ever afford anything (unless it was a vacation or a luxury vehicle). The fact is they don't want to spend any money and expect Microsoft to honor their $120 office purchase with free updates for the next few centuries. Fuck em, they can pay or get there data stolen by Chinese teenagers.
  - orionblastar 11y ago
    Some are small businesses that cannot afford to upgrade their PCs and are barely getting by. I've done tech support for people still on XP, 2000, and Vista. I think if they run Vista they got a good chance to buy Windows 10 Pro for $164 but it will break compatibility with their Office Software and force them to do a fresh install. A lot of business software is written for older versions of Office. I tried to make a Virtual Machine creating service if a company has the licenses I can make a Virtual Box or QEMU virtual machine with the old version of Windows and Office in it if they give me their license keys and pay me for their labor. But nobody wants to do that yet. I plan on running Linux on my main box at home and run Windows in virtual machines if Windows 10 ends up being buggy as all heck.
    - cmdrfred 11y ago
      They will go out of business in a few years because they failed to adapt, and we won't really miss them. If they 'can't afford' $164 once a decade what are they paying their employees? Certainly not a living wage. So they have high churn and nobody working there really cares about the business, its just another low paying job and unemployment is falling. These companies are mismanaged, they didn't budget when times were good for when things go south. I feel no pity when someone has to adjust their standard of living to a level that the majority of the planet would die for. Don't fall for the sob stories, its there so they take home more of the profits that you generated. Instead build a start up and blow their antiquated business model out of the water. Related Protip: If you go to a bank/doctors office or anywhere else that wants a large amount of personal data from you, don't give it to them if they are still running XP. (If enough people did this all of the sudden it would become affordable)
      - orionblastar 11y ago
        Sometimes the hardware won't support it. I always had a plan of staying behind one current version on everything and buying it used. A Windows 7 Pro PC used would cost $150 and an Office 2010 Pro license disk would cost $100 used. If they went with that plan, they'd get the free Windows 10 upgrade. A used Windows 8 PC costs $300 and there are cheap Windows 8 tablets for $100 but limited to 32 bits. I'm trying to convince people on XP to switch to Linux and use WINE to run their old legacy Windows apps on it. But nobody wants to do that for some reason.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  Or, for a more human use case, users with a 10yo PC with 256MB running XP. We all know these people. Fortunately, LO sees 'em right. (... now that the pre-SSE2 bug is fixed, hampered by no dev running such a box.)
  - winter_blue 11y ago
    The new Raspberry Pi 2 which is $35 can run Windows 10 IoT. It has 1 GB of RAM, a quad-core 900 MHz CPU, and typically consumes around 0.3 watts (0.9W on a heavy load). And Microsoft's giving away Windows IoT for free. Considering that most desktop boxes consume 200 to 400 watts typically, the cost of Pi could be recovered fairly quickly in the saved electric costs.
    - cmdrfred 11y ago
      You can get a reasonable windows 8 desktop for 300 dollars. If it increased productivity even by a small margin (less then a dollars worth a day) it's paid for itself before the end of the year.
    - anonbanker 11y ago
      I think it's nice that microsoft is lowering their OS's price to the same rate that Raspbian charges. Sadly, Office on the Pi2 will cost money. Luckily, Raspbian and LibreOffice are still 100% free.
      - pjmlp 11y ago
        As we say on my home country, one gets what he pays for.
        anonbanker 11y ago
        your home country doesn't have free software? what a magical place. I assume your country's DNS servers are running on Windows Server, and the main webservers are running Microsoft IIS? Sad thing is, with Windows Licensing v.7, you barely get what you paid for, and only if you use Free Software as leverage to get a low enough price.

toyg 11y ago

"From great power comes great responsibility." - Benjamin "Ben" Parker, 1962

joshuapants 11y ago
"Computers give the user great power, so it's the user's responsibility to keep software up to date instead of relying on ancient packages." - Me, applying that logic to this situation, 1435872794 seconds since Jan 01 1970

orionblastar 11y ago

Some companies cannot afford to upgrade their hardware to run the latest versions. They are stuck on older Windows versions that cannot run the latest Office versions. I noticed a lot of companies still stick with XP. I watched the Terminator Genisys movie and had a display in the hallway with a pop-up that said XP support has ended. A lot of Movie Theaters use XP still. The US Navy still uses XP and an old version of Office.

cmdrfred 11y ago
"We can't afford it" is the mating call of the business owner/MBA. I've worked for ten companies over the course of my life (small business to mid size), none of them could ever afford anything (unless it was a vacation or a luxury vehicle). The fact is they don't want to spend any money and expect Microsoft to honor their $120 office purchase with free updates for the next few centuries. Fuck em, they can pay or get there data stolen by Chinese teenagers.
- orionblastar 11y ago
  Some are small businesses that cannot afford to upgrade their PCs and are barely getting by. I've done tech support for people still on XP, 2000, and Vista. I think if they run Vista they got a good chance to buy Windows 10 Pro for $164 but it will break compatibility with their Office Software and force them to do a fresh install. A lot of business software is written for older versions of Office. I tried to make a Virtual Machine creating service if a company has the licenses I can make a Virtual Box or QEMU virtual machine with the old version of Windows and Office in it if they give me their license keys and pay me for their labor. But nobody wants to do that yet. I plan on running Linux on my main box at home and run Windows in virtual machines if Windows 10 ends up being buggy as all heck.
  - cmdrfred 11y ago
    They will go out of business in a few years because they failed to adapt, and we won't really miss them. If they 'can't afford' $164 once a decade what are they paying their employees? Certainly not a living wage. So they have high churn and nobody working there really cares about the business, its just another low paying job and unemployment is falling. These companies are mismanaged, they didn't budget when times were good for when things go south. I feel no pity when someone has to adjust their standard of living to a level that the majority of the planet would die for. Don't fall for the sob stories, its there so they take home more of the profits that you generated. Instead build a start up and blow their antiquated business model out of the water. Related Protip: If you go to a bank/doctors office or anywhere else that wants a large amount of personal data from you, don't give it to them if they are still running XP. (If enough people did this all of the sudden it would become affordable)
    - orionblastar 11y ago
      Sometimes the hardware won't support it. I always had a plan of staying behind one current version on everything and buying it used. A Windows 7 Pro PC used would cost $150 and an Office 2010 Pro license disk would cost $100 used. If they went with that plan, they'd get the free Windows 10 upgrade. A used Windows 8 PC costs $300 and there are cheap Windows 8 tablets for $100 but limited to 32 bits. I'm trying to convince people on XP to switch to Linux and use WINE to run their old legacy Windows apps on it. But nobody wants to do that for some reason.
davidgerard 11y ago
Or, for a more human use case, users with a 10yo PC with 256MB running XP. We all know these people. Fortunately, LO sees 'em right. (... now that the pre-SSE2 bug is fixed, hampered by no dev running such a box.)
- winter_blue 11y ago
  The new Raspberry Pi 2 which is $35 can run Windows 10 IoT. It has 1 GB of RAM, a quad-core 900 MHz CPU, and typically consumes around 0.3 watts (0.9W on a heavy load). And Microsoft's giving away Windows IoT for free. Considering that most desktop boxes consume 200 to 400 watts typically, the cost of Pi could be recovered fairly quickly in the saved electric costs.
  - cmdrfred 11y ago
    You can get a reasonable windows 8 desktop for 300 dollars. If it increased productivity even by a small margin (less then a dollars worth a day) it's paid for itself before the end of the year.
  - anonbanker 11y ago
    I think it's nice that microsoft is lowering their OS's price to the same rate that Raspbian charges. Sadly, Office on the Pi2 will cost money. Luckily, Raspbian and LibreOffice are still 100% free.
    - pjmlp 11y ago
      As we say on my home country, one gets what he pays for.
      - anonbanker 11y ago
        your home country doesn't have free software? what a magical place. I assume your country's DNS servers are running on Windows Server, and the main webservers are running Microsoft IIS? Sad thing is, with Windows Licensing v.7, you barely get what you paid for, and only if you use Free Software as leverage to get a low enough price.