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How about a guaranteed job rather then a free paycheck.

by crimsonalucard 11y ago

normloman 11y ago
When technology automates the all the worthwhile jobs, should we be paid to dig holes and bury them back up?
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you think technology will automate all jobs? If it happens I can assure you it won't be within your lifetime or your children's lifetime. Also why would I pay you to dig a hole and bury it? Are we really so dense that we have to give people free money and not find them anything to do? No. I believe humanity is greater than that. I have a dream about a world where we all have the power to tell someone to mow the lawn or clean up the house AT THE VERY LEAST.
  - normloman 11y ago
    Never said all jobs would be automated in my lifetime. I'm thinking long term (1000 years). And maybe we won't automate all the jobs, but the only jobs left are ones only a few people can do. Though mowing the lawn... that could be automated today.
bomaqhbk 11y ago
The main problems I see with the guaranteed job idea are that it presupposes a judgment about what types of work are inherently valuable (and does so at the cost of exploring the unknown) and it sounds a lot like a life of forced servitude for which the only rational was the original income inequality.
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  Forced servitude? you gotta be kidding... Let's look at the world as it is today: work for money. Is that slavery? No. Let's look at the world I'm proposing: guaranteed work for guaranteed money. Is that slavery? according to you, yes. If you're saying one is slavery and the other isn't, then I have to disagree. >guaranteed job idea are that it presupposes a judgment about what types of work are inherently valuable (and does so at the cost of exploring the unknown) Picking up the trash and cleaning up the neighborhood are unknown high risk ventures? Fixing pot-holes, washing graffiti off walls, planting trees, picking litter off the beach, helping the environment have no benefit to society? There are PLENTY of jobs that can be created that are not high risk ventures and can benefit all of society. I'm not proposing to start another NASA program. Are you trying to say that paying people money to sit on their asses while entire cities have thousands of little problems is a more worthwhile venture then telling someone to help out the community in exchange for the same amount of money? Your reasoning being that we as human beings are not intelligent enough to make judgement about which types of work are more valuable? Make a judgement on this: which is more valuable? Helping the community for money OR sitting on your ass for money?
crimsonalucard 11y ago
Guys, I apologize for the snarky replies. Had a bad day. Should've been more polite and to the point. Either way I stand by my opinions.

How about a guaranteed job rather then a free paycheck.

normloman 11y ago

When technology automates the all the worthwhile jobs, should we be paid to dig holes and bury them back up?

crimsonalucard 11y ago
What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you think technology will automate all jobs? If it happens I can assure you it won't be within your lifetime or your children's lifetime. Also why would I pay you to dig a hole and bury it? Are we really so dense that we have to give people free money and not find them anything to do? No. I believe humanity is greater than that. I have a dream about a world where we all have the power to tell someone to mow the lawn or clean up the house AT THE VERY LEAST.
- normloman 11y ago
  Never said all jobs would be automated in my lifetime. I'm thinking long term (1000 years). And maybe we won't automate all the jobs, but the only jobs left are ones only a few people can do. Though mowing the lawn... that could be automated today.

bomaqhbk 11y ago

The main problems I see with the guaranteed job idea are that it presupposes a judgment about what types of work are inherently valuable (and does so at the cost of exploring the unknown) and it sounds a lot like a life of forced servitude for which the only rational was the original income inequality.

crimsonalucard 11y ago
Forced servitude? you gotta be kidding... Let's look at the world as it is today: work for money. Is that slavery? No. Let's look at the world I'm proposing: guaranteed work for guaranteed money. Is that slavery? according to you, yes. If you're saying one is slavery and the other isn't, then I have to disagree. >guaranteed job idea are that it presupposes a judgment about what types of work are inherently valuable (and does so at the cost of exploring the unknown) Picking up the trash and cleaning up the neighborhood are unknown high risk ventures? Fixing pot-holes, washing graffiti off walls, planting trees, picking litter off the beach, helping the environment have no benefit to society? There are PLENTY of jobs that can be created that are not high risk ventures and can benefit all of society. I'm not proposing to start another NASA program. Are you trying to say that paying people money to sit on their asses while entire cities have thousands of little problems is a more worthwhile venture then telling someone to help out the community in exchange for the same amount of money? Your reasoning being that we as human beings are not intelligent enough to make judgement about which types of work are more valuable? Make a judgement on this: which is more valuable? Helping the community for money OR sitting on your ass for money?

crimsonalucard 11y ago

Guys, I apologize for the snarky replies. Had a bad day. Should've been more polite and to the point. Either way I stand by my opinions.