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I'm by no means a progressive democrat and I am certainly no fan of Obama. In saying that, it's absolutely necessary to understand republicans are pushing for t

I'm by no means a progressive democrat and I am certainly no fan of Obama. In saying that, it's absolutely necessary to understand republicans are pushing for this just as much as democrats. It's not a red vs. blue issue, it's a red and blue issue. To answer your question, there are probably many reasons, but one reason is because corporations are paying politicians. Here is a story from The Guardian that explains the payoff http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations... Also, here is another story from the Huffington Post that describes the corporate influence on the TPP. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-huge-tpp_b_6956540.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-h... One last comment, while it is indeed up to our politicians to vote yay or nay on this, it is absolutely up to the people to keep our politicians accountable. Right now, the American people are for more concerned about feelings and witty social media posts to care about the TPP. When Americans stop caring about politicians and stop holding politicians accountable, it's quite easy for them to pull something like the TPP.

gcb0 11y ago
no matter how much you care. if politicians can only run a campaign with millions of dollars, and that amount only come from corporations, and the corporations can see who voted on what it wanted, then the public is largely removed from politics.
- zanny 11y ago
  That should not be news to anyone. The only thing that has recently changed is Citizens United makes it easier to just avoid having to pass through money through more middlemen to bribe politicians. Before radio and TV, only the rich elite who had the time to research politics voted. After radio and TV, only the rich elite who had the money to buy election ad slots got representation.
- vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago
  It is illegal for corporations to donate money to politicians. 61% of raised funds come from individuals donating up to $2600 each. 23% come from PACs (which themselves may only raise money from individuals, not corporations), and the rest comes from self-funding and political party committees. Edit: These numbers are from 2010 congressional elections. Also it's illegal for federal elections. State elections have their own rules.
  - boohooo143 11y ago
    Are the 23% from PACs money given directly to campaigns or does it also include independent expenditures? Additionally, wouldn't it be better to look at expenditures in later elections such as the 2012 presidential election? Using the 2010 data is a bit biased because the Citizens United decision was only ruled on in 2010. As for your point of donations being illegal for federal elections, it is true that direct donations are regulated, however outside "independent" spending by corporations is not illegal. Additionally, Super PACs can accept unlimited contributions from corporations as long as they use the money for independent expenditures.
vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago
That Guardian article is intentionally misleading. All it says is that some large companies support the TPP, and some employees of those large companies donate to politicians' campaigns. The data don't show anything other than standard fundraising.
- jessaustin 11y ago
  Come on dude, was that statement really so controversial you had to use a green account to make it? If you think there's nothing wrong with the status quo pipeline of corruption from corporate interests to political pockets, then have the courage of your convictions!
  - vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago
    I didn't have an account before. For some reason, misinformation about campaign finance triggers me to speak up and try to correct it.

gcb0 11y ago

no matter how much you care. if politicians can only run a campaign with millions of dollars, and that amount only come from corporations, and the corporations can see who voted on what it wanted, then the public is largely removed from politics.

zanny 11y ago
That should not be news to anyone. The only thing that has recently changed is Citizens United makes it easier to just avoid having to pass through money through more middlemen to bribe politicians. Before radio and TV, only the rich elite who had the time to research politics voted. After radio and TV, only the rich elite who had the money to buy election ad slots got representation.
vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago
It is illegal for corporations to donate money to politicians. 61% of raised funds come from individuals donating up to $2600 each. 23% come from PACs (which themselves may only raise money from individuals, not corporations), and the rest comes from self-funding and political party committees. Edit: These numbers are from 2010 congressional elections. Also it's illegal for federal elections. State elections have their own rules.
- boohooo143 11y ago
  Are the 23% from PACs money given directly to campaigns or does it also include independent expenditures? Additionally, wouldn't it be better to look at expenditures in later elections such as the 2012 presidential election? Using the 2010 data is a bit biased because the Citizens United decision was only ruled on in 2010. As for your point of donations being illegal for federal elections, it is true that direct donations are regulated, however outside "independent" spending by corporations is not illegal. Additionally, Super PACs can accept unlimited contributions from corporations as long as they use the money for independent expenditures.

vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago

That Guardian article is intentionally misleading. All it says is that some large companies support the TPP, and some employees of those large companies donate to politicians' campaigns. The data don't show anything other than standard fundraising.

jessaustin 11y ago
Come on dude, was that statement really so controversial you had to use a green account to make it? If you think there's nothing wrong with the status quo pipeline of corruption from corporate interests to political pockets, then have the courage of your convictions!
- vgfbdgfhkzsdrhh 11y ago
  I didn't have an account before. For some reason, misinformation about campaign finance triggers me to speak up and try to correct it.