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Alice and Bob are friends born on planet X who now live on planets Y and Z respectively each a light year away from X on opposites sides. Bob's mom on X dies, a

Alice and Bob are friends born on planet X who now live on planets Y and Z respectively each a light year away from X on opposites sides. Bob's mom on X dies, and the news on intergalactic social media is beamed to planets Y and Z where Alice and Bob learn of the news. In an instant after the year it takes the news to reach him Bob realizes that 2 light years away Alice will be sad, she might take a few days off work, her already strained relationship with her father will worsen, and that more than likely she will be returning to X...all sorts of meaning and information is communicated. Is the information "from Alice"? What information is "from Alice"?, when she and Bob next meet on planet X and tells him in person how devastated she is, was it Alice that really generated that information? Was it Alice's nervous system? Was it the event of the death itself or the transmission of it? Alice didn't "will" her sadness into existence nor the communication of it, nor any meaning in her life to be communicated, I don't think we communicate anything a priori because that would be useless. Do humans really generate any information at all that doesn't come from entangled systems?

ikeboy 11y ago
>Is the information "from Alice"? No. > when she and Bob next meet on planet X and tells him in person how devastated she is, was it Alice that really generated that information? Was it Alice's nervous system? Yes. The info may also have had an earlier cause, but that is completely screened off by Alice (in the technical sense of screen; see http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-probabilistic/#ScrOff http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-probabilistic/#S...). >Do humans really generate any information at all that doesn't come from entangled systems? I think you don't understand what entangled means; if I take two envelopes and put a 1 in the first and a 0 in the second, the envelopes aren't "entangled". Entanglement has a specific meaning, and doesn't just mean correlation. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem Anyway, you seem to have some confusion over determinism and physics, but it doesn't really have to do with FTL.

ikeboy 11y ago

>Is the information "from Alice"? No. > when she and Bob next meet on planet X and tells him in person how devastated she is, was it Alice that really generated that information? Was it Alice's nervous system? Yes. The info may also have had an earlier cause, but that is completely screened off by Alice (in the technical sense of screen; see http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-probabilistic/#ScrOff http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-probabilistic/#S...). >Do humans really generate any information at all that doesn't come from entangled systems? I think you don't understand what entangled means; if I take two envelopes and put a 1 in the first and a 0 in the second, the envelopes aren't "entangled". Entanglement has a specific meaning, and doesn't just mean correlation. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem Anyway, you seem to have some confusion over determinism and physics, but it doesn't really have to do with FTL.