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> there isn't a one programming paradigm that's universally better than others. That's so true. I wish someone would come up with a language where a wide varie

by brlewis 11y ago

> there isn't a one programming paradigm that's universally better than others. That's so true. I wish someone would come up with a language where a wide variety of programming paradigms, including imperative, functional, and message passing styles, could find convenient expression. EDIT: This comment is almost an exact quote from somewhere. Bonus points to whoever can identify where.

rubiquity 11y ago
I think you should give Elixir a look: http://elixir-lang.org http://elixir-lang.org Bonus points: Elixir has compile time macros and an AST with a representation that is similar to Lisp.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  > and an AST with a representation that is similar to Lisp That's actually cheating, you know :). Lisp pretty much is AST. It's a fun fact about Erlang that it's not directly compiled to BEAM, but is first translated into a very strange, almost lovecraftian Lisp. I've worked with Erlang commercially for some time and ever since learning about parse transforms I kept wondering why they didn't just clean up the "intermediate language" syntax; they'd have a decent Lisp instead of a parallel Prolog.
  - jdeisenberg 11y ago
    There is, of course, Lisp Flavoured Erlang: http://lfe.io/ http://lfe.io/
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      Indeed there is :). I used to sneak up some code in it on the job ;). I'm happy to see it being actively developed to this very day.
TeMPOraL 11y ago
You have Scala. They even try to shoehorn macros into it. The result is a powerful but IMO messy language.
sklogic 11y ago
What for? With any meta-language you can build and mix any paradigms you like.
keithflower 11y ago
The parent's humorous wish is granted by the wizards of MIT Scheme (and, I daresay, even more fulfilled by Racket): "Scheme is a statically scoped and properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald Jay Sussman. It was designed to have an exceptionally clear and simple semantics and few different ways to form expressions. A wide variety of programming paradigms, including imperative, functional, and message passing styles, find convenient expression in Scheme." http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/projects/scheme/ http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/projects/scheme/
- brlewis 11y ago
  I got it from R4RS. I imagine MIT Scheme also got it from there.
  - tjr 11y ago
    Maybe. Looks like R4RS got it from R3RS. :-)
zem 11y ago
oz/mozart does a good job of that; it's a shame it never really caught on as a non-research language. http://mozart.github.io/ http://mozart.github.io/
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by brlewis 11y ago

rubiquity 11y ago

I think you should give Elixir a look: http://elixir-lang.org http://elixir-lang.org Bonus points: Elixir has compile time macros and an AST with a representation that is similar to Lisp.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
> and an AST with a representation that is similar to Lisp That's actually cheating, you know :). Lisp pretty much is AST. It's a fun fact about Erlang that it's not directly compiled to BEAM, but is first translated into a very strange, almost lovecraftian Lisp. I've worked with Erlang commercially for some time and ever since learning about parse transforms I kept wondering why they didn't just clean up the "intermediate language" syntax; they'd have a decent Lisp instead of a parallel Prolog.
- jdeisenberg 11y ago
  There is, of course, Lisp Flavoured Erlang: http://lfe.io/ http://lfe.io/
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Indeed there is :). I used to sneak up some code in it on the job ;). I'm happy to see it being actively developed to this very day.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

You have Scala. They even try to shoehorn macros into it. The result is a powerful but IMO messy language.

sklogic 11y ago

What for? With any meta-language you can build and mix any paradigms you like.

keithflower 11y ago

The parent's humorous wish is granted by the wizards of MIT Scheme (and, I daresay, even more fulfilled by Racket): "Scheme is a statically scoped and properly tail-recursive dialect of the Lisp programming language invented by Guy Lewis Steele Jr. and Gerald Jay Sussman. It was designed to have an exceptionally clear and simple semantics and few different ways to form expressions. A wide variety of programming paradigms, including imperative, functional, and message passing styles, find convenient expression in Scheme." http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/projects/scheme/ http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/projects/scheme/

brlewis 11y ago
I got it from R4RS. I imagine MIT Scheme also got it from there.
- tjr 11y ago
  Maybe. Looks like R4RS got it from R3RS. :-)

zem 11y ago

oz/mozart does a good job of that; it's a shame it never really caught on as a non-research language. http://mozart.github.io/ http://mozart.github.io/

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