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I really wish Apple would take a leaf out of Google's book on this. I'm getting quite fed up with 70MB+ updates twice a month.

by russss 17y ago

rbanffy 17y ago
Unless you depend on Mac-only software, I strongly advise you to try a modern Linux like Ubuntu or Fedora. You may encounter updates a couple times a month, but updates this size are very rare and so is the need to reboot after them. I know. I am a Linux fanboy.
- russss 17y ago
  Yeah, I'm a Linux sysadmin and I run Ubuntu at home, but I have a mac laptop because the hardware is nice and my experience with Linux on laptops is poor. Also, Omnigraffle is awesome. Maybe I should give Linux another go on the laptop, when I have a couple of days to spare...
  - alecthomas 17y ago
    Save yourself the pain, don't.
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      Thanks for the insightful comment.
- andyking 17y ago
  I've had two kernel updates (40+ MB downloads and a required reboot) in the past month or so on the latest Ubuntu, but in general you're right, these updates aren't usually this common. OpenOffice updates seem to be the worst in Ubuntu; a few years ago, I remember a 100+ MB update to remove a logo from the splash screen! By the way, this is probably the wrong place but I really don't like the new way it notifies you of an update - instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing. A backwards step.
  - DrJokepu 17y ago
    At least on Fedora, if you use the binary NVIDIA driver, on kernel updates you also have to make sure that you update your drivers to use the latest kernel headers. I typically forget this step so after the reboot I'm greeted by the console prompt. Recompile, reboot again. Annoys the hell out of me.
    - russss 17y ago
      Ubuntu has DKMS which automates this whole process. You just get a pause on bootup while it recompiles the driver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
      - DrJokepu 17y ago
        Fedora also has DKMS according to this: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/dkms https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/dkms However the NVIDIA driver has its own installer and stuff so I don't think it works nicely with DKMS. Probably that's why it's not working at all in this case.
        russss 17y ago
        Works for me on Ubuntu - although I do install my nvidia drivers using Envy, so maybe it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_(software) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_(software)
  - nuclear_eclipse 17y ago
    instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing. A backwards step. I can't wait to upgrade my inlaws' LTS machin to the newer releases for exactly this reason. They never notice the icon in the tray, but they'll do something about the updates window...
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    "instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing" Isn't there a way to configure it's "eagerness to get updated"? There should. If not, we should file a bug report
ComputerGuru 17y ago
I wish Microsoft would take a leaf out of anyone's book. Even the silliest of updates (definitions and rules for God's sake!) require a reboot: Just yesterday an update to the timezone rules forced me to restart Windows 7 (on my Desktop).
- bumblebird 17y ago
  I bought my son a netbook with XP on it. Brand new. Got it connected to wifi, "You have 40 updates". Massive updates, and it needed about 10 reboots to get through all 40 updates. Windows makes me so sad :(
  - blasdel 17y ago
    Usually for me it's two Windows Update ActiveX extensions for IE that need to updated before it even lets you get anywhere, a an update to the update installer, a round of ~40 updates including IEX which pops up a dialog in the background that blocks installation, and then once it's 'finished' there will be at least one more round of updates if you close it and reopen it. As bad as Microsoft's clusterfuck is, Adobe's is orders of magnitude worse!
stephencelis 17y ago
WebKit nightlies have been updating differentially for a few weeks now. It's nice to see a 2 megabyte download instead of the previous 50 or so. It remains to be seen, though, if Apple incorporates this into its more generalized software updates. (Edit: given another comment, it appears they already do.)
blasdel 17y ago
Apple does use bsdiff for a lot of their updates by default (just not for iTunes/QT) -- I think they were some of the first to use it outside of FreeBSD.
- lsb 17y ago
  Yes, they were saying that bsdiff produces diffs 10x courgette.
  - andreyf 17y ago
    Although cperciva pointed out [1] that this is probably due to a bug in bsdiff. Still, decompiling executables to compress them better is pretty damned nifty. The fact that there are people who know how to do this on a non-mission-critical project @ Google definitely shows the level of talent there. 1. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=706496 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=706496

I really wish Apple would take a leaf out of Google's book on this. I'm getting quite fed up with 70MB+ updates twice a month.

by russss 17y ago

I really wish Apple would take a leaf out of Google's book on this. I'm getting quite fed up with 70MB+ updates twice a month.

rbanffy 17y ago

Unless you depend on Mac-only software, I strongly advise you to try a modern Linux like Ubuntu or Fedora. You may encounter updates a couple times a month, but updates this size are very rare and so is the need to reboot after them. I know. I am a Linux fanboy.

russss 17y ago
Yeah, I'm a Linux sysadmin and I run Ubuntu at home, but I have a mac laptop because the hardware is nice and my experience with Linux on laptops is poor. Also, Omnigraffle is awesome. Maybe I should give Linux another go on the laptop, when I have a couple of days to spare...
- alecthomas 17y ago
  Save yourself the pain, don't.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    Thanks for the insightful comment.
andyking 17y ago
I've had two kernel updates (40+ MB downloads and a required reboot) in the past month or so on the latest Ubuntu, but in general you're right, these updates aren't usually this common. OpenOffice updates seem to be the worst in Ubuntu; a few years ago, I remember a 100+ MB update to remove a logo from the splash screen! By the way, this is probably the wrong place but I really don't like the new way it notifies you of an update - instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing. A backwards step.
- DrJokepu 17y ago
  At least on Fedora, if you use the binary NVIDIA driver, on kernel updates you also have to make sure that you update your drivers to use the latest kernel headers. I typically forget this step so after the reboot I'm greeted by the console prompt. Recompile, reboot again. Annoys the hell out of me.
  - russss 17y ago
    Ubuntu has DKMS which automates this whole process. You just get a pause on bootup while it recompiles the driver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
    - DrJokepu 17y ago
      Fedora also has DKMS according to this: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/dkms https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/dkms However the NVIDIA driver has its own installer and stuff so I don't think it works nicely with DKMS. Probably that's why it's not working at all in this case.
      - russss 17y ago
        Works for me on Ubuntu - although I do install my nvidia drivers using Envy, so maybe it's that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_(software) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy_(software)
- nuclear_eclipse 17y ago
  instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing. A backwards step. I can't wait to upgrade my inlaws' LTS machin to the newer releases for exactly this reason. They never notice the icon in the tray, but they'll do something about the updates window...
- rbanffy 17y ago
  "instead of a small icon in the systray and a notification, you now get update-manager appearing on top of whatever it is you're doing" Isn't there a way to configure it's "eagerness to get updated"? There should. If not, we should file a bug report

ComputerGuru 17y ago

I wish Microsoft would take a leaf out of anyone's book. Even the silliest of updates (definitions and rules for God's sake!) require a reboot: Just yesterday an update to the timezone rules forced me to restart Windows 7 (on my Desktop).

bumblebird 17y ago
I bought my son a netbook with XP on it. Brand new. Got it connected to wifi, "You have 40 updates". Massive updates, and it needed about 10 reboots to get through all 40 updates. Windows makes me so sad :(
- blasdel 17y ago
  Usually for me it's two Windows Update ActiveX extensions for IE that need to updated before it even lets you get anywhere, a an update to the update installer, a round of ~40 updates including IEX which pops up a dialog in the background that blocks installation, and then once it's 'finished' there will be at least one more round of updates if you close it and reopen it. As bad as Microsoft's clusterfuck is, Adobe's is orders of magnitude worse!

stephencelis 17y ago

WebKit nightlies have been updating differentially for a few weeks now. It's nice to see a 2 megabyte download instead of the previous 50 or so. It remains to be seen, though, if Apple incorporates this into its more generalized software updates. (Edit: given another comment, it appears they already do.)

blasdel 17y ago

Apple does use bsdiff for a lot of their updates by default (just not for iTunes/QT) -- I think they were some of the first to use it outside of FreeBSD.

lsb 17y ago
Yes, they were saying that bsdiff produces diffs 10x courgette.
- andreyf 17y ago
  Although cperciva pointed out [1] that this is probably due to a bug in bsdiff. Still, decompiling executables to compress them better is pretty damned nifty. The fact that there are people who know how to do this on a non-mission-critical project @ Google definitely shows the level of talent there. 1. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=706496 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=706496