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> He works for RedHat. That's why his generally-not-so-great software ends up in distributions. Systemd was chosen by various distributions because it works an

by bkor 11y ago

> He works for RedHat. That's why his generally-not-so-great software ends up in distributions. Systemd was chosen by various distributions because it works and was way better than what was there before. Works for Red Hat is not a consideration in this. Note: I actually follow Mageia, openSUSE, Debian, Fedora. In each of these distributions, the decision was not never "works for Red Hat". Even for e.g. Ubuntu, the decision was more or less: "Debian chose it". > That he has characterized the entire Open Source community as "full of assholes" Can you provide evidence of that? He's pretty easy to deal with, that is one of the reasons. You get a clear answer each time. Might totally disagree with it, but that's different matter.

vacri 11y ago
Given that Fedora is based on and sponsored by Red Hat, it's a significant stretch to suggest that their decision to move to systemd was made completely independently of RH. Just like Ubuntu's decision was "upstream chose it", the same goes for Fedora.
- bkor 11y ago
  The comment I responded to said it was used because of Red Hat. You're changing it to "completely independently of RH". If you look at the history, systemd was rejected for various Fedora releases. The suggestion here is that it is used because of Red Hat. While in practice even the Red Hat sponsored distribution rejected it various times. This distribution has the notion of being "first" with things.
  - yellowapple 11y ago
    > If you look at the history, systemd was rejected for various Fedora releases. Perhaps for some pre-release stuff. In reality and in the long run, Fedora was arguably the first distro to adopt systemd (as I remember rather fondly, when I first tried Fedora primarily to give this newfangled "systemd" a whirl; boy, was that a goddamn mistake), and it being owned and operated by Red Hat is no coincidence. Fedora is a testbed for RHEL. What you see in Fedora now is what you'll see in RHEL and CentOS (perhaps with some stabilization and testing) in the next couple years. Implying that Fedora's decision to incorporate systemd was in any way not influenced by the fact that Red Hat created it is absurd.

by bkor 11y ago

vacri 11y ago

Given that Fedora is based on and sponsored by Red Hat, it's a significant stretch to suggest that their decision to move to systemd was made completely independently of RH. Just like Ubuntu's decision was "upstream chose it", the same goes for Fedora.

bkor 11y ago
The comment I responded to said it was used because of Red Hat. You're changing it to "completely independently of RH". If you look at the history, systemd was rejected for various Fedora releases. The suggestion here is that it is used because of Red Hat. While in practice even the Red Hat sponsored distribution rejected it various times. This distribution has the notion of being "first" with things.
- yellowapple 11y ago
  > If you look at the history, systemd was rejected for various Fedora releases. Perhaps for some pre-release stuff. In reality and in the long run, Fedora was arguably the first distro to adopt systemd (as I remember rather fondly, when I first tried Fedora primarily to give this newfangled "systemd" a whirl; boy, was that a goddamn mistake), and it being owned and operated by Red Hat is no coincidence. Fedora is a testbed for RHEL. What you see in Fedora now is what you'll see in RHEL and CentOS (perhaps with some stabilization and testing) in the next couple years. Implying that Fedora's decision to incorporate systemd was in any way not influenced by the fact that Red Hat created it is absurd.