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I basically read that as "this isn't our responsibility so we don't have to do anything" which is sort-of true. I think if they didn't configure ANYTHING by de
by msandford 11y ago
I basically read that as "this isn't our responsibility so we don't have to do anything" which is sort-of true.
I think if they didn't configure ANYTHING by default, well, in that case the distro HAS to figure something out or else it won't work. OK, that's legit.
I think if they wanted to pick an officially blessed config option then they should go through the necessary steps to have it be official and blessed. Whatever that means.
But this seems to be the worst of both worlds; we're going to pick something for you so it'll work without intervention, but then we'll tell you that you're idiots for not fixing a thing which isn't obviously broken to begin with.
Ship it broken, or ship it working but don't ship it working poorly and then tell people it's their own fault.
- jsmthrowaway 11y agoIt's simpler than that. Knowingly hardcoding someone else's timeservers without even speaking with the operator of said timeservers is Internet hostility, particularly when your project is popular enough to be deployed on potentially millions of machines. D-Link hardcoded PHK's timeserver many years ago: https://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ https://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ Netgear hardcoded the University of Wisconsin even earlier than that: http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/ http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/netgear-sntp/ The best part about the Netgear one was it hit upwards of a quarter million packets per second and actively resisted mitigation by admins. Seriously, don't hardcode. Ever.
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- scrollaway 11y agoCompanies won't learn until the time servers they shipped on hundreds of thousands of products stop working from one day to the next because the operator of the server didn't feel like offering them a free service.
- digi_owl 11y agoI seem to recall reading about a French made program that had hardcoded the Linux source FTP server. Apparently it was used as part of a bandwidth test. And it got so popular that the server admins had to ban the French IP range...