> for instance spy agencies spying on their own citizens is more broadly recognized as bad) An instance of the more general value of "personal privacy" which h

> for instance spy agencies spying on their own citizens is more broadly recognized as bad) An instance of the more general value of "personal privacy" which has nothing to do with such abstract constructions as "nations". If we value personal privacy, then spying always involves intrinsic harm, and the question is whether we should tolerate that harm for some greater good. ... and whether we want to go down the path of seeing ourselves as the sort of people who will tolerate harm to innocents for the greater good.