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You continue to insist that your opinion of "one only has to brake and there's nothing else to consider" is a fact, going so far as to ask the right question in

You continue to insist that your opinion of "one only has to brake and there's nothing else to consider" is a fact, going so far as to ask the right question in parens, but then immediately barging on to indicate you don't even care to hear or consider what else there might be. Unless you show signs of actually caring to learn, i won't go in great detail, but do yourself a favor and consider these bullet points: Pedestrians, other bikers, visibility when stopped, space available for tilt, viability of tilt aids (curb, poles, rails, trees), car parking gaps, street vs bike path. It's not a giant problem, but it's also not nothing either. > canyon roads So, nothing like this? https://goo.gl/maps/gYhhk https://goo.gl/maps/gYhhk https://goo.gl/maps/NxGza https://goo.gl/maps/NxGza https://goo.gl/maps/YcGHN https://goo.gl/maps/YcGHN > Tilt the bike towards the curb (right-hand side in the U.S.A) and place your right foot down to create a tripod. You're making the mistake of assuming that that kind of condition is universally present. See above for a non-exhaustive list that may change your situation wildly.

Nadya 11y ago
My "continued usage of my 21 speed in the canyons" does not mean I've never cycled anywhere else in my life or in more "difficult" (I struggle to use the word difficult here) scenarios. I don't define "difficult" as "showing absolutely no regard for your own and other's safety by maintaining a speed not suitable for the area". What that translates to is I go faster on the open canyon road and I go slower in areas with more pedestrians. It isn't more physically or mentally taxing, but simply requires me to maintain a safer speed. Similar to how the speed limit on a freeway is 100-120km/h but on a residential street is 40km/h. To me, your argument sums up to "I want to go 120km in the residential". Which indeed would make safety more difficult. You should treat your bike like a car. Sure it doesn't weigh 1,500 kilos and won't necessarily kill someone if you strike them; you're still a potential hazard for walking pedestrians and should respect that by maintaining a safe speed. Not the one you desire to go simply because you aren't in a car. (That's the entitlement I was mentioning earlier.) https://goo.gl/maps/8OpD7 https://goo.gl/maps/8OpD7 https://goo.gl/maps/c82C3 https://goo.gl/maps/c82C3
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  I have no idea what you're trying to say there. It reads like non-sequitur to me. Are you saying you've biked on that intersection in Akiba and didn't find it difficult? Are you saying you were in that place in Nara and were still enable your "tilt right" protocol? How would you deal with the intersections in my links? Edit on your edit: > To me, your argument sums up to "I want to go 120km in the residential". Holy shit, how did you even get that. I bike on average between 15 and 21 kmh. I'm saying that on some intersections the situational complexity can be so high that simply going on is actually tempting.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    "Tilt opposite of traffic" protocol. Yes, it has held true regardless of which country or where I biked, regardless of complexity of the intersection or how crowded the area was with other cyclists and pedestrians. Your immediate side needs to be vacant and you need to have a general awareness of your surroundings (which is irrelevant to your speed, you should have a general awareness of your surrounding whether you are going 5km or 20km). You brought up pedestrians and "more complex intersections than canyon roads". I brought up examples of streets I've cycled on that weren't a canyon road and were packed with pedestrians. You mentioned that (1) I had never learned how to bike and (2) That town/city intersections greatly differ from canyon roads. I demonstrated (1) to be false and asserted that I continue to bike to this day. My mental model of what it is like to stop is still fresh, not 10 years outdated. My argument is that (2) is false, the only difference between the two is the acceptable safe speed of travel; hence the speed limit reference. Braking (and the "difficulty of doing so" being even a "slight problem") is bullshit. That's my assertion after nearly two decades of biking. It's a slight inconvenience that the cyclist should respect laws that are in place to prevent them from being hit by a car or prevent them plowing into a pedestrian/other cyclist. But because of laziness or entitlement they choose to ignore these laws and don't brake where and when they should. There is a reason why cyclists are perceived as "entitled pricks". It's because, as a whole, they generally act like entitled pricks and then try to explain away why they act so entitled. I've approached intersections where a pedestrian can walk in front of me from behind a bush. I exercise caution and slow my speed as I approach; such that in the event a pedestrians walks in front of me at the last moment I can brake in time to avoid hitting them. I've had to bike on a single-width bi-directional street where I have to avoid cars turning in blind T-intersections and avoid getting in the way of other pedestrians and cyclists. Intersections where my only knowledge of upcoming potential hazards comes from an intersection mirror [0] 15 meters ahead. None of these scenarios change the difficult of coming to a safe and complete stop when exercising one's best judgement to maintain a reasonable and safe speed. If one isn't going "120 in the 40" there is no reason why they cannot come to a safe and complete stop. [0] http://www.thejapanfaq.com/mirror.jpg http://www.thejapanfaq.com/mirror.jpg

Nadya 11y ago

My "continued usage of my 21 speed in the canyons" does not mean I've never cycled anywhere else in my life or in more "difficult" (I struggle to use the word difficult here) scenarios. I don't define "difficult" as "showing absolutely no regard for your own and other's safety by maintaining a speed not suitable for the area". What that translates to is I go faster on the open canyon road and I go slower in areas with more pedestrians. It isn't more physically or mentally taxing, but simply requires me to maintain a safer speed. Similar to how the speed limit on a freeway is 100-120km/h but on a residential street is 40km/h. To me, your argument sums up to "I want to go 120km in the residential". Which indeed would make safety more difficult. You should treat your bike like a car. Sure it doesn't weigh 1,500 kilos and won't necessarily kill someone if you strike them; you're still a potential hazard for walking pedestrians and should respect that by maintaining a safe speed. Not the one you desire to go simply because you aren't in a car. (That's the entitlement I was mentioning earlier.) https://goo.gl/maps/8OpD7 https://goo.gl/maps/8OpD7 https://goo.gl/maps/c82C3 https://goo.gl/maps/c82C3

Mithaldu 11y ago
I have no idea what you're trying to say there. It reads like non-sequitur to me. Are you saying you've biked on that intersection in Akiba and didn't find it difficult? Are you saying you were in that place in Nara and were still enable your "tilt right" protocol? How would you deal with the intersections in my links? Edit on your edit: > To me, your argument sums up to "I want to go 120km in the residential". Holy shit, how did you even get that. I bike on average between 15 and 21 kmh. I'm saying that on some intersections the situational complexity can be so high that simply going on is actually tempting.
- Nadya 11y ago
  "Tilt opposite of traffic" protocol. Yes, it has held true regardless of which country or where I biked, regardless of complexity of the intersection or how crowded the area was with other cyclists and pedestrians. Your immediate side needs to be vacant and you need to have a general awareness of your surroundings (which is irrelevant to your speed, you should have a general awareness of your surrounding whether you are going 5km or 20km). You brought up pedestrians and "more complex intersections than canyon roads". I brought up examples of streets I've cycled on that weren't a canyon road and were packed with pedestrians. You mentioned that (1) I had never learned how to bike and (2) That town/city intersections greatly differ from canyon roads. I demonstrated (1) to be false and asserted that I continue to bike to this day. My mental model of what it is like to stop is still fresh, not 10 years outdated. My argument is that (2) is false, the only difference between the two is the acceptable safe speed of travel; hence the speed limit reference. Braking (and the "difficulty of doing so" being even a "slight problem") is bullshit. That's my assertion after nearly two decades of biking. It's a slight inconvenience that the cyclist should respect laws that are in place to prevent them from being hit by a car or prevent them plowing into a pedestrian/other cyclist. But because of laziness or entitlement they choose to ignore these laws and don't brake where and when they should. There is a reason why cyclists are perceived as "entitled pricks". It's because, as a whole, they generally act like entitled pricks and then try to explain away why they act so entitled. I've approached intersections where a pedestrian can walk in front of me from behind a bush. I exercise caution and slow my speed as I approach; such that in the event a pedestrians walks in front of me at the last moment I can brake in time to avoid hitting them. I've had to bike on a single-width bi-directional street where I have to avoid cars turning in blind T-intersections and avoid getting in the way of other pedestrians and cyclists. Intersections where my only knowledge of upcoming potential hazards comes from an intersection mirror [0] 15 meters ahead. None of these scenarios change the difficult of coming to a safe and complete stop when exercising one's best judgement to maintain a reasonable and safe speed. If one isn't going "120 in the 40" there is no reason why they cannot come to a safe and complete stop. [0] http://www.thejapanfaq.com/mirror.jpg http://www.thejapanfaq.com/mirror.jpg