On some big intersections when impatient drivers are waiting at lights for some time it's really dangerous to set off with them when. Because of this at such ju

On some big intersections when impatient drivers are waiting at lights for some time it's really dangerous to set off with them when. Because of this at such junctions I'll go during the "pedestrian" phase after all the pedestrians have crossed, proceeding slowly as not to hit someone deciding to make a run for it before the lights change. I agree with you about taking a common-sense view to it. Whenever I've used this defense drivers typically state the rules are the rules and common-sense is subjective and we can't have people making up things as they go along. I never like this, it just seems typical of the times we live in.