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What's even more amusing is that Microsoft sided with Oracle in this case. Looks like that's going to bite them in the ass soon.

tankenmate 11y ago
Not really, they'll pay off Apple. Who it will really hurt is start ups that don't have the money to license. If APIs are held to be copyrightable and not subject to fair use then this will lead to reduced innovation in the US. A similar ruling in Germany went the other way and stated that APIs are functional and hence not copyrightable.
- bitmapbrother 11y ago
  Apple doesn't need the money. What they do need, however, is developer lock in which is probably non negotiable.
  - andybak 11y ago
    However there is probably a quid pro quo somewhere in there that will give Microsoft leverage. So the previous point still stands, with one minor modification. The giants will come to terms and the small-fry will be screwed.
    - bitmapbrother 11y ago
      Steve Jobs thought the same thing when he showed Bill Gates the Macintosh OS for the first time.
      - andybak 11y ago
        Hardly the same. Apple wasn't a 'giant' then, neither really was Microsoft. The tech landscape is very different now.
        bitmapbrother 11y ago
        I disagree. Apple and Steve Jobs learned an important lesson from that "quid pro quo" meeting with Bill Gates that they'll never ever forget. reply
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      - lightbritefight 11y ago
        Good thing he had copied it wholesale from Xerox PARCs first. Saved them both some time.
        bitmapbrother 11y ago
        Your history is incorrect, though. Apple was authorized by Xerox PARC to use their technology in exchange for allowing Xerox to buy 100,000 shares in Apple before their IPO.
        hga 11y ago
        I would use the word "concepts" rather than technology, although I'm sure there was some of that as well. The general UI, though, came from Douglas Engelbart's late '60s oN-Line System (NLS), the subject of the Mother of All Demos. Pretty much everything, windows, the mouse, just no graphics. It was much copied, e.g. I'm think the Lisp Machine had the same basic GUI working by the time work on the Apple Lisa started, it was certainly reliable and somewhat polished as of the fall of 1979/1980. If you're a student of this sort of history, it's a bit sobering how little "new" stuff we're really doing, it was all conceptualized and generally at least prototyped by the end of the '60s.
XorNot 11y ago
On the other hand nothing will get it reversed quicker then pretty much every juggernaut lobbyist wing being turned against it. It's going to turn around and sting Oracle just as quickly as they think they profit from it.

tankenmate 11y ago

Not really, they'll pay off Apple. Who it will really hurt is start ups that don't have the money to license. If APIs are held to be copyrightable and not subject to fair use then this will lead to reduced innovation in the US. A similar ruling in Germany went the other way and stated that APIs are functional and hence not copyrightable.

bitmapbrother 11y ago
Apple doesn't need the money. What they do need, however, is developer lock in which is probably non negotiable.
- andybak 11y ago
  However there is probably a quid pro quo somewhere in there that will give Microsoft leverage. So the previous point still stands, with one minor modification. The giants will come to terms and the small-fry will be screwed.
  - bitmapbrother 11y ago
    Steve Jobs thought the same thing when he showed Bill Gates the Macintosh OS for the first time.
    - andybak 11y ago
      Hardly the same. Apple wasn't a 'giant' then, neither really was Microsoft. The tech landscape is very different now.
      - bitmapbrother 11y ago
        I disagree. Apple and Steve Jobs learned an important lesson from that "quid pro quo" meeting with Bill Gates that they'll never ever forget. reply
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    - lightbritefight 11y ago
      Good thing he had copied it wholesale from Xerox PARCs first. Saved them both some time.
      - bitmapbrother 11y ago
        Your history is incorrect, though. Apple was authorized by Xerox PARC to use their technology in exchange for allowing Xerox to buy 100,000 shares in Apple before their IPO.
        hga 11y ago
        I would use the word "concepts" rather than technology, although I'm sure there was some of that as well. The general UI, though, came from Douglas Engelbart's late '60s oN-Line System (NLS), the subject of the Mother of All Demos. Pretty much everything, windows, the mouse, just no graphics. It was much copied, e.g. I'm think the Lisp Machine had the same basic GUI working by the time work on the Apple Lisa started, it was certainly reliable and somewhat polished as of the fall of 1979/1980. If you're a student of this sort of history, it's a bit sobering how little "new" stuff we're really doing, it was all conceptualized and generally at least prototyped by the end of the '60s.

XorNot 11y ago

On the other hand nothing will get it reversed quicker then pretty much every juggernaut lobbyist wing being turned against it. It's going to turn around and sting Oracle just as quickly as they think they profit from it.